Pat i did mean hammer but the word pick meant just a small area . I know a pick would be allmost like driving it out with a screw driver and hammer . HHMM i do remember doing something like that 35 yrs ago LOL and i do remember it look bad then . I have never used a slapping file and would like a class . I came from body shops that weren't restoring but production repair shops who only looked at the bottom line ..