Thread: Kandy Kolors - Dangerous stuff to breath?

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Bob, I'm on my way to harbor freight! Anyone know where I might find an in-expensive suit? Not the one that Mr Roboto is talking about!

Is catalyst used in other paint types? I must have run across it before? DuPont was the last paint that I used bc/cc with reducer and catalyst in the clear coat?

Maybe memory loss is a sign that I've got a reaction to this stuff?

Ewe make me laugh, Bob. I did have my tall boots on at the ranch (and a sheepish grin). Hmmm Hope you didnt get pictures! You'd try to fleece me by selling the pics!!

mike in tucson

Eric, the tyvek coveralls are cheap...about $3 each pair unless you are a xxxxl and tall. McMaster Carr sells them plus your local paint supplier will usually have them...even the house paint guys stock them.

mike in tucson

Mike,

Nope, more like a 40 short!

Thanks for the info!...and good luck with keeping those pics underground!!!!

Dude ranch in Montana???

I would have never guessed!

Originally Posted by Hot Rod Surfer

Bob, I'm on my way to harbor freight! Anyone know where I might find an in-expensive suit? Not the one that Mr Roboto is talking about!

Is catalyst used in other paint types? I must have run across it before? DuPont was the last paint that I used bc/cc with reducer and catalyst in the clear coat?

Maybe memory loss is a sign that I've got a reaction to this stuff?

Any paint with a hardener probably contains isocyanates. I know they have tried to develop non-isocyanate catalysts, but when I tried to help one of my friends to locate one, there did not appear to be any that made it to market. I assume it was either too expensive, or not a satisfactory replacement.

(QUOTE) Maybe memory loss is a sign that I've got a reaction to this stuff? (QUOTE)

I've been spraying catalyzed paints for over 20 years. Memory loss is a possibility, and other possible symptoms I have noticed are gray hair, the need for glasses, and weight gain.

the Ku 100 is the product that you need to be carefull with. If you have access to a paint booth that will help. I usually wear a disposable paint suit and a 3m 7193 paint mask. Just use common sence and you'll be fine.

And I might add , all masks DO NOT fit every face , 3m has them in 3 sizes ,
make sure a snug fit seals around your face is important !
There are other brands to look into also !

Plus Isocyanates go towards your eyes the worst , it likes moisture and goes towards it , I wear glasses now and if I wear them in the booth when I spray , the insides of the lenses have more overspray then the outsides , after 30 years of spraying this stuff , I had my eyes checked and had to go to tri -focals 4 years ago . I think due to the constant contact of these materials , as I am in the booth all day long 5 days a week .
I used to use a fresh air system , but quit using it after getting walking Pneumonia 2 times in 6 months when it was winter , as 32 deg. air isnt good for the lungs either

Guys , just be careful using these products !

I will field a question, since I do not stay abreast of every new product on the market.

Is there any kind of mask,.... other than a remote air, or a fresh air setup that has air "piped in",.... that is approved for isocyanates? I will not use it, but this question seems to keep coming up.

HRP, here is what your uncle says about it:
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/isocyanates/index.html
Your dollars support his web page!

mike in tucson

If you're not going with a fresh air system, the second best is a full-face mask with filters for organics. The reason OSHA wants fresh air systems is that you can't smell isocyanates, so you can't tell when the mask is leaking. The positive pressure in the mask keeps the fumes out.

Maybe I'm naive, but I believe a full face mask with fresh organic filters, a hood, long sleeve shirt and long pants will protect you during the occasional project. I believe this is especially true with good ventillation and HVLP - which causes less misting.

That's how I've done my last two or three projects, and I see no ill effects.

Typical government generated information! If you sift through the landslide of info,.....

As far as I can tell, they summerize that there are not adequate safety measures designed into filtered masks to prevent physical harm.

The problem is with certain types of isocyanates that can exist in either particle or vapor forms. Some masks work okay under ideal conditions, (though I could not decipher which one, or ones) , but they don't offer a system to tell you when you are past the point of being protected!

Not for me! It's a simple enough thing to use air from another room, and know you are eliminating much of the threat.

The paints I use,,,days after spraying acrylic enamels or urethane,,,if I take my fingernail and scratch across to cut,,,the enamel(hardened) scratches but the urethane won't!

Like they all said, use a full faced mask, a cheap disposable suit (tie the ends of the sleeve's off with tape and around your waste so it doesn't hit the paint and so sweat doesn't roll off your wrists into the paint job because you will sweat in that thing in the summer or fall time). I was wanting to get a fresh air system at my work but I never had the money. I was using a plain filtered mask now for a little over 2 years. It was ok but I can tell it didn't filter out everything and the thing about the eye's, I wondered about that because sometimes I'd go home after painting all day and my eyes would bother me and the insides of my glasses were COVERED with clear and paint more than the outsides of the lenses too.
Since your only doing your one vehicle and not doing this everyday then of course a fresh air system isn't needed and a regular mask or full face mask is fine.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. Only reason the guy on the video was using a fresh air mask is because of course he's got lots of money and top of the line equipment.