i forgot to mention that i put it in storage two years ago with the sap on it, so now it has crystalized. not my smartest move, but had a lot come up all at once, so i kind of forgot i even had the car until about a month ago. now i'm paying for it, in elbow greese. i've tryed soap and water, but that has no effect. this stuff is on there good. thanks for the help though, i'll just keep on scrubbing.