Ditto! It's a cool unique build.
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Ditto! It's a cool unique build.
I put a vacation day request in for this Friday. I'm gonna work on it again this weekend.
The pieces are finally falling into place. Hopefully I will have motor mounts after this trip.
You are doing a great job of stuffing and fitting... lol.
The car is coming together and I am diggin on your imagination.
Your daughter will be driving before you know it and she is going to look great in it, going down the road.
The 6'5" boy doesn't fit quite as well as my daughter did, but nobody can resist the chance to make racecar noises.
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The goal for the weekend was motor mounts.
First I needed to figure out what the motor would attach to. Before I could do that, I needed to figure out exactly where the steering would be....
I started with a brace from the firewall cop car brace to the front crossmember.
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then thought about going from that diagonal to the front framerail swoop
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I buzzed in the diagonal and added a brace to that
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The steering crosses from the outside (at the column) to the inside (at the rack). I neede to figure out where the middle shft is going to be.
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I cut apart a Toyota four runner steering sector (partially to see how it was put together)
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I made an adapter bushing to match up the splined section I needed to the crush section
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The bushing started out as a 1.25" collar that I ground down to 1"
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trial fit before welding
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bzzzzzzz
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I have steering!
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still a lot of decisions to be made on how the whole underhood bracing will tie together.....
Started on the other side
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not a whole lotta room next to the oil filter
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I didn't get around to motor mounts...too much basketball watching.
I'm not real sure if I'm happy with angling the front braces out to the outer frame rail like this:
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I kinda think they need to go to a radiator hoop or something.
After studying the pictures for a few days....I really don't like the look of having a horizontal piece going from the diagonal to the arch of the front framerail. Also the motor mount attachment point needs to be lower on the frame.
I took a second swing at motor mounts this weekend. trying to use the factory jag mounting scheme wasn't working for me. I think the mounts need to be lower.
Inside the frame rail, just behind the x-brace is where I'm thinking for the frame pad.
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more posterboard
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couldn't tell crap with posterbaord. I needed metal.
more recycled WWII dodge 4x4 ambulance turned hunting buggy. This was a rear fender.
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set free with fire
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found something round to add shape
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first look
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second look (bolted down)
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other side
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My plan was to tie the two sides together with a brace that would run under the oil pan. The top section looks like it will be flimsy no mater what.
Add gussets to the outside too? (mounting bolt would go down through the gold colored tube)
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Not really sure these parts will be used either.
The small tube gusset wasn't cutting it. I needed to do something more substantial, but not super heavy. I also decided the mounts needed upper biscuits.
I wanted a flange to go around the buscuit, but didn't have the right size tube...so I made my own. ...from cop car kick panels.
I started by making a strip of flat stock.
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wrapped around a piece of roll bar tube
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it worked!
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Now that I had a better idea what I was making, I cleaned up the end
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time for sheetmetal gussets
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the top bolt hole was the hard part to figure out. I sleeved it and then cut the sleeve down.
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I welded the circles first (welds under the big gusset)
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and added speed holes
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socket fits great on the top bolt
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with a rubber
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Now the other side.
The passenger side mount is shorter due to the engine offset (more foot room for me). I had to cram things closer to get it all to fit. hammer time!
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Now to give it something to bolt to
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trimmed to sit on the X-brace
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test fit
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did the same thing for the other side
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I now have a mounted motor!
Now to test out my idea for using the Ford leafspring. I have no idea what sort of spring rate this car actually needs.
I bolted it to the crossmember and let the ends rest on the control arms
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too high and this thing was solid as shit! The weight of the jag and my fat ass on the crossmember didn't hardly budge it!
pull out a bunch of leaves
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better
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but still not much movement. you think the rust has any thing to do with that? ...duh!
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I cleaned up the leaves and greased everything up (and pulled one more leaf). ...lots better!
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I added some of the removed leaves to the bottom of the pack to raise the pack (lower the car)
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close enough until the car gets more weight. I'm sure I will have to fine tune it some more.
After bouncing the car on the front spring, it sure was hard to not set it on the ground and bounce it on both ends.
Before I get too carried away, I need to flip it over and weld the bottom sides of a lot of the joints.
Evolution at work.
Somebody on another site questioned my test of the spring rate. Do y'all have any input on the subject?
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If i'm not misunderstanding your proposed suspension, the control arms will have a leveraging effect on the spring, and the strength of spring will have to be greater than what your trial setup indicates.
Dave Cameron
I think that would depend greatly on where you mount the lower control arms. The farther under the better leverage??????
I had planned for them to be mounted on the side of the "inner framerails", under the leafspringQuote:
Originally Posted by cffisher
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The front spring rate had to be tested. The only way to be sure that it would work with a-arms was to mount the a-arms....
I made tabs from a piece of 2x3
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Bushings in the arms
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And a video of dad making stuff move. Springs are just sliding on greased a-arms.
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It needs shackles and hangers.
the same axle that gave up the spring pack
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The plan is to cut and turn the end.
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TADA!!
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I decided I need to see what the rear spring rate was like before I got too carried away with the front.....
The springs are soft on both ends. The rear sagged more than I was expecting. It needs to be adjusted up an inch or so.
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I sent this pic to my wife and asked if the noticed anything different. ...her response was "new duck tape?"
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red panels back on
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Dad making racecar noises
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It's been a while since I've seen this.
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Looks real good!
Thanks. Its hard to get a good pic shows how cool of a shape that random sheetmetal pieces can make. The cowl area is gonna be neat when it is all welded together and and painted a solid color. This is the best picture. The small red piece is the piece that came from the door opening. This was the first time I tried it at the top of the dash. I like it.Quote:
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There is a lot of great fab work going on here keep up the good work ....AND.. thanks for the pics..
That's coming along nicely, I've watched your project as long as you have been posting. :toocool:
Good to see you back onto the Roofus Special as I have missed your updates mate, I liked the " new Duck Tape comment" from your observed wife too, made me chuckle. Looking good and is it on the floor for good now or will you put her back on the table to enable a better working height?
It will stay on the ground for a couple of weekends. I've been needing to roll it over and weld all of the bottom joints. I have to make myself do that before I get too much farther.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiplash23T
Photoshopped by a guy on another forum....vintage jag parts blended in for a fenderless XK120 look.
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Wow, that is awesome looking, how does it make you feel, is it in line of the picture of the car that is in your head??
I like that look!
That is some motivation... I like it.
Stay on it and you will be driving it soon!
Very cool look!! It's good to have a visualization of the finished deal for motivation!
Looks great! It takes fortitude to build a car from the ground up like this. What do you have to do for titling a home built car in Kentucky?
All of that tropical moisture pumped in by the former hurricane made it difficult to get interested in doing anything in th shop. I did get some outdoor pics of my 1960 Jaguar MK2 though.
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It's gettin' there, Flipper!
Hey, thanks for giving me that PhotoBucket Image File tip some time back! It worked great once I uploaded the proper sized files into the bucket!
I stripped it down (body panels off and engine and trans removed) and rolled it on its side so I could weld up the bottom seams.
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I love the fish shape that the body has
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After I was done welding, I put the motor back.
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I really need to figure out floor supports
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Here is where I was on the front suspension. I-beam lower control arm parallel to the ground, transverse leaf spring just above that, and jag spindles.
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The original plan when I started this build was somewhat parallel upper arm that attaches to the top of the frame rail.
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I'm not really feeling it. It takes away from the swoop.
Attaching to the side of the frame helps a little.
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The "way out there" alternative is the miller-ish, air-foil idea. Make a swoopy tube a-arm and shroud it in sheetmetal. The idea is to go under/around the frame rail with the upper arm. mounting point would be on the back side of the frame rail, up high. .....squint real hard and you might see it.
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The mock-up pieces are just there to suggest ideas for the upper arms profile. Real arms will have triangulation.
The curved tube idea is based on this cars suspension. The air foil "axle" is really the upper control arm.
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My version would be more of a "dropped axle" and would be made of steel instead of cast aluminum.
This car has the same style suspension on both ends (IFS, IRS and FWD in 1935!)
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I started the morning by swapping in the new balljoints.
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gotta cut the bolts down.
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supporting the weight under the spindle shows what the extra leverage does to the spring rate. I gotta add some leaves back to the pack. The tire is going to be even farther outboard.
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I shimmed the ride height back up and bolted the hub on to get a more realistic picture of the a-arm's environment
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I was having a hard time explaining to dad what I wanted to do, so I broke out the posterboard. Think airplane wing as an upper a-arm.
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it needs a ball joint pocket
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slimmer pocket , more front to back shape
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Scew it. I'l just use bailing wire!
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I put the spring pack back to what I thought was stock only to find one more leaf afterwards (the one just above the clamps)
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It did raise it up.
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...still not sure what the upper arm is going to look like.
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Hang in there it will come! Keep at it!
Glad to see an update, Flipper! I truly love seeing something coming together from cast away pieces & parts, and a little of the artist's eye influencing the process. Looking forward to more updates as you move forward on the build.