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I got the steering box done, and bolted it in. Everything lines up and it looks like 2 1/2 turns to put the wheels lock to lock, that's what I was hoping for.
Ken

Now that looks really trick Ken, Nice job.
Hope you don't mind me asking but would it not have been easier and more positive to use bevelled gears ??? I'm wondering about slack in the chain or do you have a tensioner ???

Originally Posted by Ken Thurm

I got the steering box done, and bolted it in. Everything lines up and it looks like 2 1/2 turns to put the wheels lock to lock, that's what I was hoping for.
Ken

Thanks, If you go to post 216 in this thread you can see the tensioner.
Ken

Cheers Ken i must of missed that one, Neat job.

Originally Posted by Ken Thurm

Thanks, If you go to post 216 in this thread you can see the tensioner.
Ken

Richard - I'm probably not explaining it clearly. The Schroeder steering boxes were the most used way back hen. Indy cars used them and sprint cars still use them I think. I just think they look cool. I have used them in the past but when you mount them in the correct height inside the car to get the correct geometry outside the car so you don't have any bump steer you can beat the snot out of your shins. Especially in a clutch car, it takes up a lot of room. So now that I'm "older" I want more comfort so I just came up with a way of getting the correct geometry to eliminate bump steer and give me more room for my legs. That's all this is.

Jack- I don't know what DTI is, sorry.

Steve- Thanks, I think It's going to work out good, I hope!!


I stopped on the steering for a while and went back to filling the roof. I bought a wood kit for it thinking that would give me the correct curvature of the roof. That didn't work so now I'm back to making brackets and forming the roof by hand. I will weld these in then slot some 1/2 tubing over them and create the curvature of the roof with the tubing, then weld it up, then start laying the new sheet metal on.
Ken

[QUOTE=Ken Thurm;396204]Richard - I'm probably not explaining it clearly. The Schroeder steering boxes were the most used way back hen. Indy cars used them and sprint cars still use them I think. I just think they look cool. I have used them in the past but when you mount them in the correct height inside the car to get the correct geometry outside the car so you don't have any bump steer you can beat the snot out of your shins. Especially in a clutch car, it takes up a lot of room. So now that I'm "older" I want more comfort so I just came up with a way of getting the correct geometry to eliminate bump steer and give me more room for my legs. That's all this is.

Ken,
You explain everything in great detail; I’m just not as well versed as you. I have seen the arm (pitman arm) coming outside of the cowl section but just never thought too much about it. I did a little research and found an article from Street Rodder Magazine. I found one with the gear drive but not the chain. That must have been another type but the same principal I’m guessing. In the old racecars being real narrow I can see how it would give more legroom. They also said like you they are just cool like old is new again. At my age I’m still learning, I just found out more then I knew before you posted the pictures. In my day I did more buying/selling and trading cars then actually building, if something broke I tried to fix it just to keep it running. Looking back now, I wish I had spent more time taking cars apart and seeing how things work then just keeping them looking good.

Thanks for taking the time to get me to reading about the different types of steering. I will tell you I know what bump steer can do, it almost caused me to flip a 40 Chevy Coupe that had a citation rack and pinion steering mounted to a tube straight axle.

Thanks Ken, as usual you're a good guy for sharing your knowledge.

Richard


http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/...chevrolet.html

schroeder-steering.jpg

[QUOTE=ford2custom;396413]

Originally Posted by Ken Thurm

Richard - I'm probably not explaining it clearly. The Schroeder steering boxes were the most used way back hen. Indy cars used them and sprint cars still use them I think. I just think they look cool. I have used them in the past but when you mount them in the correct height inside the car to get the correct geometry outside the car so you don't have any bump steer you can beat the snot out of your shins. Especially in a clutch car, it takes up a lot of room. So now that I'm "older" I want more comfort so I just came up with a way of getting the correct geometry to eliminate bump steer and give me more room for my legs. That's all this is.

Ken,
You explain everything in great detail; I’m just not as well versed as you. I have seen the arm (pitman arm) coming outside of the cowl section but just never thought too much about it. I did a little research and found an article from Street Rodder Magazine. I found one with the gear drive but not the chain. That must have been another type but the same principal I’m guessing. In the old racecars being real narrow I can see how it would give more legroom. They also said like you they are just cool like old is new again. At my age I’m still learning, I just found out more then I knew before you posted the pictures. In my day I did more buying/selling and trading cars then actually building, if something broke I tried to fix it just to keep it running. Looking back now, I wish I had spent more time taking cars apart and seeing how things work then just keeping them looking good.

Thanks for taking the time to get me to reading about the different types of steering. I will tell you I know what bump steer can do, it almost caused me to flip a 40 Chevy Coupe that had a citation rack and pinion steering mounted to a tube straight axle.

Thanks Ken, as usual you're a good guy for sharing your knowledge.

Richard


http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/...chevrolet.html

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Richard your doing better than me. I don't even know what bump steering is, unless it is the car steering you over a bump?

[QUOTE=ford2custom;396413]

Originally Posted by Ken Thurm

Richard - I'm probably not explaining it clearly. The Schroeder steering boxes were the most used way back hen. Indy cars used them and sprint cars still use them I think. I just think they look cool. I have used them in the past but when you mount them in the correct height inside the car to get the correct geometry outside the car so you don't have any bump steer you can beat the snot out of your shins. Especially in a clutch car, it takes up a lot of room. So now that I'm "older" I want more comfort so I just came up with a way of getting the correct geometry to eliminate bump steer and give me more room for my legs. That's all this is.

Ken,
You explain everything in great detail; I’m just not as well versed as you. I have seen the arm (pitman arm) coming outside of the cowl section but just never thought too much about it. I did a little research and found an article from Street Rodder Magazine. I found one with the gear drive but not the chain. That must have been another type but the same principal I’m guessing. In the old racecars being real narrow I can see how it would give more legroom. They also said like you they are just cool like old is new again. At my age I’m still learning, I just found out more then I knew before you posted the pictures. In my day I did more buying/selling and trading cars then actually building, if something broke I tried to fix it just to keep it running. Looking back now, I wish I had spent more time taking cars apart and seeing how things work then just keeping them looking good.

Thanks for taking the time to get me to reading about the different types of steering. I will tell you I know what bump steer can do, it almost caused me to flip a 40 Chevy Coupe that had a citation rack and pinion steering mounted to a tube straight axle.

Thanks Ken, as usual you're a good guy for sharing your knowledge.

Richard


http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/...chevrolet.html

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Richard,
The lower photo bolts into the steering box taking the place of the existing part. It makes it easier to steer at lower speeds. That has been the biggest complaint with using these on the street. The ratio is 8 to 1, not very favorable when your wife goes to the grocery store. That replacement piece changes it to 16 to one.
Ken