37 Ford build--IE: old Header issues thread /37 Ford/5.0/GT40P heads

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Originally Posted by randyr

As for the F100, I already have one...I don't need another one! LOL!
Hope to get back on my 37 soon!! In the meantime, I'm enjoying reading about yours.

Haven't heard from Dave in a while. You ok, Dave?? Did you guy get the interior in your car yet? You have some cruising to do this summer!

And what about you, Mike? What's up with you my friend? How's the ticker working?

Later guys.
Randy

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Hi Randy! I'm still here and drooling over your pickup! NICE!!:D:3dSMILE::LOL:

I did meet up with Dave in York, PA to see hot rods and conduct some business but it was raining/pouring so we cut the trip short. I'll let him explain the interior story.

Ticker is still running and I'm feeling fine Thank You Very Much! :)

I'm just about ready to start doing some work on mine. I haven't touched it since the "health issues"..:eek: That was 8 months ago!:eek: I have been buying a bunch of small parts and pieces and just bought another grille, this'll be the third! It better fit better than the others!

Thanks for thinking of me and looking forward to watching your build progress!

I'm just about ready to start doing some work on mine. I haven't touched it since the "health issues".. That was 8 months ago! I have been buying a bunch of small parts and pieces and just bought another grille, this'll be the third! It better fit better than the others!

Getting some stuff for a car is as much fun as building . But man I am ready my self to get one in color .

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Originally Posted by bluestang67

Getting some stuff for a car is as much fun as building . But man I am ready my self to get one in color .

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So True!! Almost like Christmas! :LOL::3dSMILE::LOL: I don't usually spend so much at Christmas time tho! :whacked::D:HMMM:

Although all the "downtime" has allowed me to browse and want even more parts or pieces than when I started. I've really been wanting multiple carburation and have seen some good pieces but, I keep telling myself to just finish it first and then we can change it later. Let's drive it first! :D

Randy - I'm here, I'm here.

I've been 'lurking' on this now infamous thread more then contributing. You and Bobby have your thing going with '37's and since I don't have one now, am just enjoying your trials and tribulations.

As Mike said, we met up at York a week and a half ago - it was raining so hard - much harder after he gave up and left for home, that I was checking for the address of an ark - then Saturday, beautiful. I didn't take a single picture of any cars including the many, many '37's.

The interior of my car saga - since I have everything but the seats, I'm doing my own installation. My upholsterer - oh well...... The seats are done tho I do have to pick them up, probably late next week, then I'll install them, then whatever is left, not much - he'll have to do later.

I see that you've been spending more time on your new DD then the '37:HMMM: Nice truck from the photos - that vintage in my rusty belt area has been crushed, shredded, then sent to Japan to make new rivers like Honda's:CRY:

Later**)

I've been 'lurking' on this now infamous thread more then contributing. You and Bobby have your thing going with '37's and since I don't have one now, am just enjoying your trials and tribulations.


Dave you still have a lot of input and ideas . No matter the car the only thing different is the shape of the body .

Randy's work on his pedals is a perfect conversion for this model . Sure does beat the work of trying to hang pedals and mount a master cylinder .

My GT 40 P heads just came back from machine shop today getting the mounting holes drilled for clearance for the 1/2 bolts on the 351 . I heard a rumor that the Mustang GT shortie headers will work on the GT 40 P heads .

Having a set of shorties I went to garage and set the heads on the engine and couple bolted the headers to the heads . This is going to work well and going in the 37 I believe it will be easier then trying it in the 31 .


The #2 and #4 cylinder are the only cylinders that will require a dimple in the headers . The passenger side will have no clearance issues at all . This will be saving me money on headers and the mini starter required by some headers .

Some pics of headers on the P heads .



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Bobby, while it's not really a good header (look where the bolts squash the runner at the flange) and if they fit, good luck!! I tried them, the similar SVT version and one other set (Patriots, I believe) before I ended up with the Sanderson FF1 which Randy also found he needed as well. I bought mine uncoated so I could clean up some of the weld slag and extraneous runner material where they join at the collector as well as the flange and it ended up taking several hours with my die grinder. Take a look back at one of the first pages of this very long thread and you'll see the "conversation" Randy and I had a couple of years plus ago and some of his pain with some mediocre Sanderson quality (also, recall the title of the thread :LOL::LOL:)

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i8...HClearance.jpg

Another thing to consider also, Bobby, is whether the angle & location of the outlet on the driver's side header will give you problems with routing the exhaust around the clutch/brake/MC. It may also give you problems with the steering column but you will probably have to fit the engine into the car to be sure about these things. Figuring out the exhaust is going to be the next thing I tackle on mine, I think. The driver's side will definitely be challenging with dual exhaust.

Dave by good I mean they made the 5.0 Mustangs run real well . They may not be full performance but I am building a mild engine . I seen that on the tubes and been figuring a fix for their correction to reshape . Would really rather spend that cash somewhere else if I can . But If It comes down to really needing the Sanderson headers I will get them . Then I will just copy Randy's exhaust :D .

Randy I will be watching the exhaust install to see where and what you have to do . I have been looking into the front wheel drive columns lately they are short and with the short shaft inside the firewall I have plenty of choices on where it will exit out . This should help with the exhaust exit a lot . This will give me a straight column with about 8 inches of play at the firewall to exit . Like you say everything will have to be mocked up to see what works and what mods will need to be done .

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Originally Posted by bluestang67

Dave by good I mean they made the 5.0 Mustangs run real well . They may not be full performance but I am building a mild engine . I seen that on the tubes and been figuring a fix for their correction to reshape . Would really rather spend that cash somewhere else if I can . But If It comes down to really needing the Sanderson headers I will get them . Then I will just copy Randy's exhaust :D .

Randy I will be watching the exhaust install to see where and what you have to do . I have been looking into the front wheel drive columns lately they are short and with the short shaft inside the firewall I have plenty of choices on where it will exit out . This should help with the exhaust exit a lot . This will give me a straight column with about 8 inches of play at the firewall to exit . Like you say everything will have to be mocked up to see what works and what mods will need to be done .

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Bobby - the 5.0 headers strangled the Mustang (personal experience with my '86 GT, now long gone). Take a lurk at a Mustang forum. Now add them to a 5.8/351. Obviously, they will work and of course your prerogative to use, but there are better choices that even Ford (and Summit) offers in their SVT catalog. It's a lot easier to build an exhaust system with the front sheet metal off and the engine exposed then together. Now that you have the GT40P heads, this would be the crowning touch as they will flow much better then the ho-hummers you had.

Dave I guess in the long run you are right . I have been talking to people on best cam options still using the pedestal mounts and max lift . One guy said stay about the ,480 lift with 1.6 rockers and get up to a @50 - 230 duration to get the cam sound I am looking for with a 112' LS .

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Originally Posted by bluestang67

Dave I guess in the long run you are right . I have been talking to people on best cam options still using the pedestal mounts and max lift . One guy said stay about the ,480 lift with 1.6 rockers and get up to a @50 - 230 duration to get the cam sound I am looking for with a 112' LS .

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The best camshaft that I ran (out of several tried, an Edelbrock Performer, a Perf. RPM as well as a crap Comp Cams dog) in my last 351W was a Lunati which had a split LS 108/112 if I recall plus about a .500 lift. Not sure of the part number - but will see if I can find it later today. With a SB Ford you do have to keep the lift with some pistons, even if dished, at approximately .500 unless you have eyebrows cut into them too. A.480 lift wont hack it at all. This Lunati was a great 1500-5000 RPM cam and had a wicked sounding idle (isn't that what "really" counts:D). I used Comp Cams 1.6 roller rockers on that engine vs. the Crane 1.7 on my current 302.

Dave that's what I am looking for someone who has built the mild or street engine 351 W . I do want to stay with the stock rockers as of this time haven't priced a machine shop converting over to rollers . But from what I have learned so far that the lift is at a certain point to max it out . That is not what I want just to be close to it .

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Originally Posted by bluestang67

Dave that's what I am looking for someone who has built the mild or street engine 351 W . I do want to stay with the stock rockers as of this time haven't priced a machine shop converting over to rollers . But from what I have learned so far that the lift is at a certain point to max it out . That is not what I want just to be close to it .

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Bobby - this is what I'm using; http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FMS-M-6564-A50/

These are pedestal mount and don't require any machining. I have Cranes (identical, since the Ford's were made by Crane), but since they have gone the way of the gooney bird, who knows.

Proform also has a set as well - probably made by whoever makes the Ford version but bucks cheaper: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRO-66878/

As long as you don't rev "way up" I don't see a problem.

You'll probably need springs, locks and retainers as well to be on the safe side - (and I just happen to have a set of new stockers as well, but you should use better ones, tailored to your camshaft though). MIne, again, Crane, and again, identical specs as the Ford versions. Dang, but any level of performance engine get expensive - and mine is medium!!!

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i8...lerrockers.jpg

Dave been doing some shopping and I think I have a direction mapped out Thanks to You . You are right on even a mild build there is a few dollars invested .