Thread: Project $ 3 K Is Underway
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08-09-2007 07:46 AM #1
Originally Posted by Gusaroo
I guess I have to save that for when I take the first lap around the block, huh?We were so busy I didn't even get pictures of anything we did.
As for the starter, what helped a little was we installed a round shim they give you in the box.............not the normal flat shims that go on the mounting bolts, but this round shim goes on the snout and serves to move the starter toward the front of the engine slightly. But even with that it was too far back just a tad.
I am going to get the car up on some stands so I can see under there (darned thing is too low) and do that measuring thing the guy from Powermaster suggested. I have seen some flywheels that have a little round spacer ring that goes on the same bolt holes as the flywheel or flexplate. Does Chevy use a spacer behind the flexplate??? I am also going to pop the convertor loose and see how easily it moves rearward.
But on the upside, the engine fires up on about one revolution and sounds pretty good. Just some minor ( I hope) things to fix, and it should be a runner.
Don
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08-09-2007 10:43 PM #2
Ok, get out the popcorn. Finally got the starter shimmed right tonight and fired it up.
Lots of stray wires and hoses, but at least it runs........and no leaks so far.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AioHw2-6Jyc
DonLast edited by Itoldyouso; 08-09-2007 at 11:07 PM.
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08-09-2007 06:34 AM #3
I worked in a Delco starter shop and 6 out of ten starters needed to be shimed away from the block because it wouldn't disengage or growled when it started. A couple shims will solve the problem straight away imho.
Way to go Don, even though you wern't quite ready, it must have been a thrill to hear her run. It is getting closer everyday to driving her down the raod."Sunshine, a street rod and a winding beautiful Ozarks road is truely Bliss!"
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08-10-2007 02:44 AM #4
Right on ,congrats don, she sounds good.
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08-10-2007 03:27 AM #5
Don sounds great glad you did get the you tube up . Was really waiting on this one . Its a sweet thing when they hit right off and purr like that . To me it gives a little more confidence for the trip down the road . Now keep going and keep the cam up for its maiden journey out of the shop lot . Makes me want to stay home from work and get in the garage .
You tube has made you go from a rod builder to a movie star . LOL
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08-10-2007 03:31 AM #6
Alright!!! I'm glad it turned out to be a simple fix and not a defective starter snout. It won't be long now...Jim
Racing! - Because football, basketball, baseball, and golf require only ONE BALL!
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08-10-2007 04:39 AM #7
Don---Special congratulations to you!!! feels great, doesn't it.---BrianOld guy hot rodder
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08-10-2007 04:43 AM #8
I knew you could do it Don, it sounds great. Next trip on youtube will have to be the complete car. Go have a beer I will buy.
Brad
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08-10-2007 05:57 AM #9
Thanks guys, yep, it is pretty exciting. Funny part was, I didn't realize how close I was to getting it fired up. When Dan started pushing me to do it there seemed like a million little things we needed to do first, and I kept telling him there was too much to do. But he finally got out some paper and said "ok, what all do we need to buy tonight?" Turned out the list was shorter than I thought it would be.
I'm really glad he urged me to get it running because now a lot of "unknowns" are out of the way. It starts up, runs, and seems to have no issues. After we did the video thing we put jackstands under the rear axle to get the wheels off the ground, and I was able to shift the transmission through the gears. It seems fine, and the driveline seems to move smoothly and quietly.
Good thing we ran out of time or I might have bolted my pondering chair to the frame and taken a quick lap around the block.Now I can concentrate on my brake lines, wiring, and getting some paint on the body.
I'm really glad I could do the Youtube thing and share it with all of you who have been so supportive and fun throughout this build.
Don
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08-10-2007 06:13 AM #10
Oh, thought I would pass along what we learned about the starter problem, in case anyone else has similar issues. When I went back and pulled up Jag454's thread in our archieves, the Tech guy from Powermaster said there should be 15/16 inches of clearance from the centerline of the mounting bolts to the front facing edge of the flexplate or flywheel. When I measured mine, it was about 7/8, so my flexplate was further forward than the perfect dimension.
I called B and M because I am using their flexplate, and the guy there (not the most helpful one I have ever run into) said if the counterweights were on the front of my flexplate I had it on right. They were. So the obvious thing was to make up a thicker shim to move the starter more forward, away from the flexplate. Dan made up one out of 1/8 inch plate, and that did the trick. There is now sufficient clearance between the starter gear and flexplate. Dan is going to make up a permanent spacer out of aluminum and tig it to the mounting base now that we know it works this way.
I'm not sure what is going on with these aftermarket, high performance starters. There have been numerous posts on lots of forums about people having clearance issues with them. Gee, for years all we did was go to the local auto parts store, buy a starter, and bolt it on. Now we have these high tech starters and they seem to need fine tuning. Very strange.
Don
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08-10-2007 06:27 AM #11
Don,the car has alway's looked great now we know it sound's great. Now tear it all apart and do the rebuild on youtube.
Ron
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08-10-2007 07:06 AM #12
Don, that sounded great for a SBC.Nice job. I can hardly wait to see the car together and running on the street. You'll have to Utube that too.
Duane S
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08-10-2007 07:09 AM #13
Kinda like givin' birth huh? Only we didn't have to go through that breathin' and hand holdin' thing (phew!).
Yes, of course you'll get your shape back.
Congrats Pops!Your Uncle Bob, Senior Geezer Curmudgeon
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08-10-2007 02:50 PM #14
GOOD ON YA MATE! She's a bobby dazzler! To say I'm pleased for you would be an understatement. Like many others I've watched this from its inception, and felt for you with all the irritations and frustrations.
Now....well, you can be very proud of yourself.
It's all easy-peasy from here on in.johnboy
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08-10-2007 04:43 PM #15
Don congratulations. I've done a bunch of engines over the years and there is always that little bit of anticipation/apprehension prior to the initial fire up. When they pop right off, run, carry oil pressure and don't heat, you know you did good.
It sounds great Don.I've NEVER seen a car come from the factory that couldn't be improved.....
I saw last night on fb about John. The world sure lost a great one. I'm going to miss his humor, advice, and perspective from another portion of the world. Rest in Peace Johnboy.
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