Yeah, and that's my point!!! A bump and run affects the outcome of a race much more then a one car intentional spinout! Usually a bump and run involves two or three other cars that weren't even part of the bump!!!! If NASCAR would back off and let the driver's police themselves the dirty driving would be far less then it is now! No big deal to pay a fine and lose a few points, but when half a dozen other driver's are going to make sure the "favors" are returned in kind a driver gets the message quickly! Being an ex-circle burner, a bump and run is nothing more then a case of the bumper getting up to the next car and running out of talent in how to make a clean pass! This weeks bump and run guy would probably be next weeks bumpee, and possibly a bump right out of the ballpark!!!! Never took more then one or two payback bumps to teach the offender that clean passes are the preferred method to get around another car! Helton's bs of NASCAR deciding what's intentional and what's not is just more bs----if you're not the one in the car you will never know if it was intentional or not! The view from the stands is a whole lot different then the view from the driver's seat!