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Originally Posted by Evolvo

I did a little reading about Ayn Rand,

Did you read the book? Or anything else she wrote?

I didn't think so.

Jim

Originally Posted by Big Tracks

Did you read the book? Or anything else she wrote?
I didn't think so.
Jim

Yeah, I don't think anyone here has ever put Ayn Rand up as a role model, but most people who read her books see a frightening parallel to our recent history. It's difficult for me to see any parallel between Ayn Rand and L. Ron Hubbard, who is best known for being the founder of the "Church" of Scientology. In his early days he wrote science fiction, while Ms. Rand wrote fictional social commentaries. Writers in recent history are not generally known for being exemplary individuals worthy of pedestals.

i'm still trying to figure out what his post has to do with any of this. it's clear he supports obama and the socialist trend we are in.
i know very few business owners who support any of this nonsense . paying taxes does not create jobs , reinvesting in your business does . even if you tax the top 1% at 50% it will not help . the answer is to get the 5% of people back to work paying taxes. keep in mind there is 5% or more in this country that will not work period . if you want that number to shrink drug test them for welfare and enforce the back to work part of welfare . which obama is trying to get around .

Originally Posted by shine

i'm still trying to figure out what his post has to do with any of this. it's clear he supports obama and the socialist trend we are in.
i know very few business owners who support any of this nonsense . paying taxes does not create jobs , reinvesting in your business does . even if you tax the top 1% at 50% it will not help . the answer is to get the 5% of people back to work paying taxes. keep in mind there is 5% or more in this country that will not work period . if you want that number to shrink drug test them for welfare and enforce the back to work part of welfare . which obama is trying to get around .

It's simple to understand if you listen to what they say, both Alan, and the writers of economic "theory" like he linked to. For what they say to be in anyway valid you have to NOT believe that money is based on the exchange of value between at least two trading partners. You have to believe that corporations don't do anything of value for the money (value) they acrue. You have to believe that the "wealthy" don't do anything of value for their fellow man that may be of greater value than those who may acrue the fruits of lesser value exchange. And you have to believe that the "elite thinkers" such as themselves and those politicians they support know better how to exchange value earned by others more effectively than the earners do themselves.

That article is loaded with opportunites to learn REAL economics as it occurs in the real world, most of which is the opposite from what was stated. But most folks don't have interest in such things and it's certainly not taught in primary education.

my economic education came from fighting to keep a business afloat during the 80's. i have a very good understanding of how it works. each friday you pass out pay checks to a bunch of whiners who think they deserve all the credit and the profits. out of 15 i had maybe 3 worth a damn . then you have to match their deductions and support the useless bastards who wont work also paying workmans comp so they can stub their toe and lay up for 90 days. not to mention the ones who work just long enough to draw unemployment again while shacked up with some cow on welfare who has never worked a day in her life. her specialty is having babies that tax payers pay for then support for the next 20 years. i closed my business and dont intend to ever supply a job again . i've been taxed and regulated to hell . let the fern eating liberals support them from now on. dont know how since soon there wont be any jobs or people to tax .
if i had romneys money i would pack my boat and set sail .

Originally Posted by shine

my economic education came from fighting to keep a business afloat during the 80's. i have a very good understanding of how it works. each friday you pass out pay checks to a bunch of whiners who think they deserve all the credit and the profits. out of 15 i had maybe 3 worth a damn . then you have to match their deductions and support the useless bastards who wont work also paying workmans comp so they can stub their toe and lay up for 90 days. not to mention the ones who work just long enough to draw unemployment again while shacked up with some cow on welfare who has never worked a day in her life. her specialty is having babies that tax payers pay for then support for the next 20 years. i closed my business and dont intend to ever supply a job again . i've been taxed and regulated to hell . let the fern eating liberals support them from now on. dont know how since soon there wont be any jobs or people to tax .
if i had romneys money i would pack my boat and set sail .

Shine,it sounds like you know the system we have down here in NZ pretty well,too..Same thing happens..In fact,was talking to a young single mum,about 20 years of age,who was whining about what was going to happen to her ''income'',,and I told her she was still doing better than me..I then asked her if it was fair to sit on her ass all day,while we,the taxpayer,kept her in the manner she enjoyed,,and asked her if she would give her wages to someone who didn't WANT to work..NO,,was the answer,,so I asked her if it was fair for us to do the same..Made her think..

Originally Posted by shine

my economic education came from fighting to keep a business afloat during the 80's. i have a very good understanding of how it works. each friday you pass out pay checks to a bunch of whiners who think they deserve all the credit and the profits. out of 15 i had maybe 3 worth a damn . then you have to match their deductions and support the useless bastards who wont work also paying workmans comp so they can stub their toe and lay up for 90 days. not to mention the ones who work just long enough to draw unemployment again while shacked up with some cow on welfare who has never worked a day in her life. her specialty is having babies that tax payers pay for then support for the next 20 years. i closed my business and dont intend to ever supply a job again . i've been taxed and regulated to hell . let the fern eating liberals support them from now on. dont know how since soon there wont be any jobs or people to tax .
if i had romneys money i would pack my boat and set sail .

Wow shine; you struck a nerve there!
I've had my employees steal from me even.
And I'm not talking about a few gallons of fuel 'evaporating'; I'm talking about thousands of dollars worth of stuff...some of it essential to the operation of my business.
When I caught one particular individual red-handed he whined: "You can afford it; you're rich!"
Yeah, I'm in a better financial position than many...but have you ever stopped to think how I reached that position?
By working 100 hr weeks for years.
For thirteen years I was never away from my business apart from one afternoon I took off to attend a Great-aunt's funeral.
Otherwise it was seven-days-a-week, fifty-two weeks-a-year.
I earned my money.
And, as you implied shine; many employees didn't deserve their pay-cheque.
They'd do anything to shirk their responsibilies.
And they knew thier rights too!
You couldn't fire them!
Not without three verbal warnings and three written warnings!
All the power was on their side...not mine.

On the other hand; (wearing Jerry's gloves,) I've had a lot (quite a lot when I think about it,) of really fine people work for me...people who became my friends...and are still good friends more than thirty years later...just genuinely fine people.

But the wasters...Oh boy!

And Bureaucracy...don't get me started...


(Okay...rant over...exit stage left, dribbling and muttering to itself...)

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