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Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Ok Bob, all that is true.... but Shine's post nailed the real truth and does more then blame someone for all of our problems. Voter apathy and the resultant pitiful low voter turnout is the problem. I don't think everyone is fooled by the media, I'd like to give most people credit for having a bit more intelligence then that. It would seem to me that you and a lot of others view the majority of us as a bunch of babbling idiots who are like lambs being led to the slaughter.... If all your beliefs don't come from what you hear and what you read, then where do they come from??? But you are correct in saying we have the government we deserve, the government that apathy put into power and apathy allows to remain in power. It's easy to blame someone else, be it the media, liberals, conservatives, or whoever but we all must also remember that when one finger is pointing at some one, many times 3 fingers are pointing back at the real culprit!!!! It's just the same old blame game, "I didn't do it, it's all _______ fault". Much easier to just complain.... Just what is it that makes your sources any more credible then Alan's or anyone else's??? Right wing and left wing spread the propaganda and bs at the same rate!!!!!

By the way, election time doesn't mean anything is going to be cured. The rising food prices will start before that and by the time January comes around and all the newbies actually take over in Congress and the White House (big maybe on the White House) rising prices will already be upon us. Again, we're waiting on a reactive government and not a proactive government....

One final note, if Mitt Romney is our last best hope, we're all in a heap of trouble anyway!!!! The only plan our purpose I've heard him come up with is that somehow, magically, he's going to do away with Obama's health care plan his first day in office and the he has a plan to fix the economy Or is it just as secret as Obama's "secret agenda" that many would have us believe will cause the end of the country????

Obama supporters are very enthusiastic about him for their own reason, and will probably show up at the polls in great numbers.. Let's just hope that Romney's supporters are just as enthusiastic and will show up at the polls in greater numbers!!!! I'm one of "them" who is not voting for Romney but rather voting against Obama..... I don't believe Romney is the right man for the job, but I guess he's better then what we have....

One party is not all good, nor is the other party all bad.... Voter's need to vote for the man and not just the party....Both parties have good people and bad people.... Perhaps if for this election, voters would vote for the people who are going to best look out for ALL of us and not just the special interests who they represent.... If not, then it's correct that "it doesn't make any difference". A sad thing to say, but the way I see it, the truth.....


PS--my prediction for voter turnout is 43%.....pitiful. We will again get just exactly what we deserve.....

The part about voting for people and not party lines I like a whole lot Dave. My only concern is if that would create more deadlock in getting something done.
I think the law needing to be passed is a ban of special interest groups from government. Cure the problem completely.

Then limit or remove all advisory staff.Make a member of congress stand alone in his views.It's that what the founding fathers meant it to be??. Hell we vote for members of congress and end up not getting what we are paying for.

A law saying these side stories about people having nothing to do with job performance are not allowed and that way we do attract the best and brightest. I am still somewhat ticked about Chris Christie not being a valid candidate because of his wt.If he is 500lbs and does a good job,all I give a damm about is the job he is doing. What got my respect was him saying in a interview that his personal life has nothing to do with him being governor.Yeah-he spoke up for himself and I gave him tons of credit for it.Also said his being governor is a open book for the job he is doing and questions about that go ahead and ask whatever the interviewer liked.

Originally Posted by 1gary

The part about voting for people and not party lines I like a whole lot Dave. My only concern is if that would create more deadlock in getting something done. I think the law needing to be passed is a ban of special interest groups from government. Cure the problem completely. Then limit or remove all advisory staff. Make a member of congress stand alone in his views. It's that what the founding fathers meant it to be? Hell we vote for members of congress and end up not getting what we are paying for. A law saying these side stories about people having nothing to do with job performance are not allowed and that way we do attract the best and brightest.
I am still somewhat ticked about Chris Christie not being a valid candidate because of his wt.If he is 500lbs and does a good job,all I give a damm about is the job he is doing. What got my respect was him saying in a interview that his personal life has nothing to do with him being governor.Yeah-he spoke up for himself and I gave him tons of credit for it.Also said his being governor is a open book for the job he is doing and questions about that go ahead and ask whatever the interviewer liked.

How could voting for the qualified individual as opposed to a party ticket increase the deadlock? Do you actually believe that voting a party ticket, regardless of the qualifications of the individuals on that ticket can IMPROVE the situation? If that's true we're definitely in bigger trouble than any of us have put forth to date!

As far as banning special interest groups, and then banning (your words)

these side stories about people having nothing to do with job performance

, that seems to me to be a blatant attack on the First Amendment (Free Speech). We've talked here before that lobbyist's are a crucial part of the system, providing the legislator's with needed and necessary facts about complex issues that they must address, but that the problem is the bribes and graft that tend to follow that trail. We need to enforce existing anti-corruption laws, NOT try to ban lobbying!

Eliminate the staff of our elected congressmen? In today's information flood it would be totally impossible for any one of them to be informed about the things they were voting for, IMO. The ability for a stand-alone congressman to function probably ended about 1950, and even then they would have had to have a secretarial staff at a minimum.

Chris Christie? Who the heck is Chris Christie? From your description he sounds like the Mark Mangino of New York State politics! His personal life has nothing to do with his qualifications to be Governor? Give me a break!! If the guy can't keep his personal life in order then he for darned sure doesn't need to be representing the people. Or at least keep him in New York and away from KANSAS!!! We've got enough troubles with guys skinny dipping in the Sea of Galilee!!

we dont need any more laws. we need to enforce the ones we have.

BTW Roger, Chris Christie is the Governor of New Jersey.

Originally Posted by NTFDAY

BTW Roger, Chris Christie is the Governor of New Jersey.

New York, New Jersey, just keep him there and let the locals enjoy his "mantra".

Originally Posted by shine

we dont need any more laws. we need to enforce the ones we have.

Well said, Shine. Thinking that legislating away problems is the answer is a problem that needs to be ignored.

The all-knowing media commentators seem to agree that the outcome of our approaching election will be determined by "The Undecideds".

It's hard to believe that there are still thinking voters out there who are genuinely undecided (the key word there is "thinking") but if such voters exist, may I ask that they think about whether we need any more Obama-appointed Supreme Court Justices?

Another consideration is the fact that the controlling party makes Congressional Committee appointments and assignments, and a little reading up on the importance and responsibilities of Congressional Committees might help in deciding whether to vote for Barry or Mitt.

Personally, I ain't undecided.

Jim

Originally Posted by rspears

How could voting for the qualified individual as opposed to a party ticket increase the deadlock? Do you actually believe that voting a party ticket, regardless of the qualifications of the individuals on that ticket can IMPROVE the situation? If that's true we're definitely in bigger trouble than any of us have put forth to date!

As far as banning special interest groups, and then banning (your words) , that seems to me to be a blatant attack on the First Amendment (Free Speech). We've talked here before that lobbyist's are a crucial part of the system, providing the legislator's with needed and necessary facts about complex issues that they must address, but that the problem is the bribes and graft that tend to follow that trail. We need to enforce existing anti-corruption laws, NOT try to ban lobbying!

Eliminate the staff of our elected congressmen? In today's information flood it would be totally impossible for any one of them to be informed about the things they were voting for, IMO. The ability for a stand-alone congressman to function probably ended about 1950, and even then they would have had to have a secretarial staff at a minimum.

Chris Christie? Who the heck is Chris Christie? From your description he sounds like the Mark Mangino of New York State politics! His personal life has nothing to do with his qualifications to be Governor? Give me a break!! If the guy can't keep his personal life in order then he for darned sure doesn't need to be representing the people. Or at least keep him in New York and away from KANSAS!!! We've got enough troubles with guys skinny dipping in the Sea of Galilee!!

Didn't get a chance to reply until now.

As a said,I like the idea of voting for people who would do the best job no matter what political party they are in. The thought I have is the party lines would be so split up,do get anything done would be worst.

For me,the special interest groups are the same ones who spend my money without a thought at all about me. The tree huger would has changed the face of the auto industry forever. The do good er who thinks they have to tell me if I can smoke,where I can smoke,and how much it is going to cost me to smoke.Yeah,I don't remember asking for any of that.The special interest
groups who changed our national language from English just because we couldn't stand up for our own heritage.I do remember when people from all over the world moved here and was more than willing to learn about our traditions and English and not use special interest groups to play on our sensitivities of those poor.poor,people just want to keep their families traditions.Nope,they want to change ours forever.The special interest groups that just continue to cloud the issues and yes make it more complicated than it really is.Honestly,I have never see a lobbyist who spoke what I want.It's a whole like negating the election,where all I want is to eliminate the middle man(who I didn't elect) and have a elected official do what I put him in office to do.Represent me.I do totally agree with you to prosecute graft and bribes.

Staff members??. It is just another case of a agenda of people who once again influences policies that I did not vote for. Another layer of government.Key question is does the member of congress run the staff who has likely been in Washington for yrs or does the staff run the member of congress??. I think the staff runs the congressman.

We jump conclusions all to easily.Treat side stories like some sort of soap opera.Smart people come in all sizes and shapes.To say Chris Christie wouldn't do a good job because of his size is a prime case of maybe another missed opportunity.There are tons of stories that never should be apart of politics.We lose hundreds of good people every yr just because of that.Let's let the mud slinger's go off by themselves to their own mud wrestle match.

This is something new to this post.I am concerned,say two generations away from us old guys,what government is going to look like because the only ref's those generations will have is what a screwed up mess we have now.

a couple of years ago i ran across a list of government programs. my eyes crossed and my brain hurt before i could get a 1/4 of the way through. the whole country is supported by the government in one way or another. as far as i'm concerned if you work for one of these government supported programs you are the problem. it is enough to make one nauseous . i did not ask to support you nor do i care about the all important cause you work for. take care of your damn self and stop making up for your short comings by trying to save the world or some friggin minnow or lizard . i will do just fine without either . i swear if a 60 ft tall man eating dinosaur was found some left wing nut case peta fool would want to protect it . in texas we would have a big barbecue .

when you have time to kill look up some of this foolishness. i dont like plays, i dont like drama, i dont like the arts so why in the hell should i support it ????????

And I'm not into government grants so some fool can live off the taxpayer instead of finding a real job.