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Originally Posted by rspears

I think the CNBC clip that Bob posted was crystal clear stating that the problems are not simply the Obama years, but extend back into the GW Bush years, too. W had to deal with the twin tower terrorist attack very early in his term, and that set the stage (IMO) for much of what he did in his eight years. The problem is, again IMO, that with that as a starting point Obama ratcheted up government spending in tremendous amounts, and most, if not all of the spending programs did very little to actually "stimulate" anything. I'm not sure we can stand another four years of this tune, so for me the mantra is "Defeat Obama".

I will agree but WHO are you putting in his place. The crane operator at ground zero may be more the person to have than anyone else I've seen

To not hold the sitting president responsible for things he said he would improve, that he assured the country that his actions were going to solve the problems that still persist, that had the results come out differently (though historically the methods employed have never done so) he would have most assuredly taken full credit for.........is exactly what the recently announced "slogan" is all about. " FORWARD!................hey, don't look at what I've done, just listen to the promises I make!" That may have worked on the high school girls, but not on me. Apparently some haven't watched the video I posted....................the primary point of which was, who might have the better prescription for economic success? The person who's done it, or the person who just talks about it as if he had? Seems like a simple concept............but not based on the way people in this country talk/think/vote.

Will any President solve these issues himself? Of course not.......................so why re-elect the guy who is so fond of the first person pronoun, yet only wants to take credit for successes while finding all manner of things/people to blame for the failures.

As for all politicians only offering negatives that's a pile of steamy excrement. The House of Representatives has offered a budget each of the past two years that at least offers a manner of spending control. You may not agree with it in it's entirety, but there has been absolutely NO debate about it because it get dropped in a drawer of the Senate Majority Leader. Yeah, call that a blame game.........................................which is the same as condoning doing nothing. If enough citizens of this country pulled together in a positive direction we could work together to get back on track. But when the President and all his supporters spend a good part of each day dividing the country into interest groups each and every day (rich against "poor", men against women, whites against whichever "minority" group is the pander of the day, students against tax payers, anybody against business, and on and on) it makes it difficult to do. Job creators are the one genuine minority in this country that it's okay to demonize it appears. No Union, Politician (while in office), News reporter, ever created a business/job............they only exploit the situation created for them. Arghhhh!

The negativity we see is in fact a spin game to do nothing.Distractions as a excuse to do the business paid for by lobbyist groups.It is in part the one reason I suggested you follow the money in campaign funds and the millions raised for the media needed to get in office.

I was married into a family that was heavily involved in a company called Rich Products.You remember "Coffee Rich"?.They have military contacts worth millions.Two yrs before the election they knew for sure that Jimmie Carter was going to be the next President and their contact was going to be renewed.It is the way Washington works guys.

Economies takes YRS to develop to the current state and certainly not just 3 yrs,6yrs,or 8 yrs.

A major change back to giving the government back to the people would be to limit budgets of free air time of people trying to be elected and to make any lobbying of any kind illegal.

Originally Posted by 1gary

................................and to make any lobbying of any kind illegal.

That would mean recinding the first amendment to the constitution..............a politician's dream.


And no politician, especially the one's that everyday promote the government dictating practically every segment of our lives (Our president released an online story board today hilighting how a gal named Julie should be dependent on the government from cradle to grave) is going to "give" back government to the people. The way this country was founded was by the people taking government away from the autocratic power hungry politicians of Great Britain....................now we'll have to take it away from our home grown wannabe dictators. If we have the guts (in that I share Dave's frustration).

So, OK. I didn't vote for Obama the first go-round, and it's a cinch I won't vote for him this time....But just who the heck is their to vote for that's running for President??? Myself and a lot of other people are just fed up with voting for nobody, just voting against somebody.... Romney has changed sides on every issue that ever was, I can't be for him with a clear conscience!!!


"If enough citizens of this country....." My point exactly!!!! There's just not enough positive people in the country anymore! Kind of like people who would make a commitment and stick with it, a rare commodity! What happened to positive people, anyway??? Hearing nothing but negative from every media source in the country has taken it's toll on the general population, I think! It's still awhile til November, maybe a good independent candidate will still show up and give us a viable alternative to politics as usual. I sure hope so! If not, my vote for Pres. will just be a blank box with no check mark! I'm still looking for candidates who offer a positive plan to at least get this country going in the right direction and not the usual negative campaigning bs. Tired of it. To me, all the negative crap sounds like it's too late, and this country is already dead and too dumb to fall over.......

Please don't misunderstand me.I don't advocate making lobbyist groups to be illegal for the sake of limiting debating issues.I do suggest to make them illegal on the basis of the paid for influence they have.

I wouldn't want to outlaw "lobbying", but I would like to see it become more transparent and accountable and there are supposed to be laws, if I'm not mistaken, that attempt to do just that. But as we all know there are those that seem to be able to skirt around the laws until they get caught and I don't think the penalties are high enough for those that break the rules and it happens on both sides of the aisle.
As far as presidents go I've been alive for the last 13, though I was too young to remember anything about FDR. During my adult life I have always considered Carter to be the worst President that ever held the office, but then along came Obama and I have to reconsider that analogy. IMHO, a Presidents real power lies in his or hers ability to manipulate Congress to achieve their goals and if the majority of Congress is made up with people of the Presidents party the road is generally much smoother. Obamacare would have never passed with a Republican majority and probably most of the bail outs wouldn't have either.

Well, last time I "participated" in this thread sparks were sent flying!
I'll try and keep the tone low on this!

First - Dave S., thanks for echoing my thoughts, like you I just cannot endure the negative spin any longer! And let's not forget the teflon suit!

Regarding lobbys - some of you know I assist in a small farm and we grow cranberries. We are a member of a growers association and the association hires lobbyists to promote and protect our interests. They watch the lawmakers who may create legislation that may be hard or damaging to us as well as network with other industries who may be in the market for our product.

I think that the lobbyists are getting (or get) a bad rap just like the speculators, I'm sure some bad apples abused the system, hence the stiffer laws & penalties, but there must've been a bad politician on the other side of the fence with his hand out!



My point oh two!

“........a Presidents real power lies in his or hers ability to manipulate Congress to achieve their goals and if the majority of Congress is made up with people of the Presidents party the road is generally much smoother.......”

Up until recently I would have agreed with you. The President’s ability to make the appointments for the heads of agencies with regulatory powers can give him a great deal of power to slip rules and regulations (laws) into place without much public discussion or debate.

Of course the appointment of Judges to the Supreme Court will have a long term effect on how laws are interpreted even after a President leaves office, but agency heads also set the tone for rules and regulations that are put into place that also have long term repercussions.

The unfortunate thing is often the heads of these agencies while they may be somewhat competent managers often don’t have a clue about what it is really like out in the real world they are proposing rules for.

It’s a lot easier for an agency to enact a law than it is to get it appealed afterward. Look at the monsters that agencies (which were originally well intentioned) have become. Agencies like EPA, OHSA, Dept of Labor, Department of Transportation etc. Every year these agencies become bigger and enact more and more laws that often that slip under the radar until it is too late.

What got me thinking along these lines were the recently proposed child labor laws that seemed to be slipping thru until some people sat up and took notice.

The new regulations were directed at children working on family farms (like I grew up on) and in part included.

“…..Two different Federal Agencies have proposed rules within the past year that would each have a devastating effect on family farms. The first was the Department of Transportation which proposed a rule to require that all operators of farm equipment must have a commercial driver’s license even when driving on their own land.

The second is a Department of Labor rule to prevent children from doing farm chores. The rule would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land. Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course.

These new rules from two different Federal Agencies were announced within the past year and then withdrawn, as recently as last week, after the administration saw the public outrage over the proposed rules.

Why are family farms coming under attack by Federal Agencies? Well one clue can be found in Obama’s recent speeches where he calls Capitalism a “failed policy of the past”…….”

Just my 2 cents..........I will now get down from the soap box.

By the way here is the first article I read that started my train of thought on this.

Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores - Yahoo! News

presidents are kaka. they are a distraction from our real problems. the only thing that has slowed down obama is a congress that tells him to multiply himself. if you dont like things get on your representatives butt. they get clean away because we all fret over the president. if obama wins again we are doomed period. congress will control romney and keep him in check.
i am pro business . washington cant do their job much less run mine.
what happened in the banking industry was exactly what they did with the mobile home industry. sell to anyone thanks to jimmy stupid .
i'm not a fan of romney but i will vote for a blind pig if it will get rid of the fraud in the white house.

You guys are proving the axiom on Charlie's shirt and making me happy this morning.

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Nothing surprises me anymore Charlie!!!! Heck, it's "only" $4.2 Billion a year, hardly enough for the IRS to bother with when they're so busy trying to catch Joe Average, citizen tax payer, trying to cheat them out of $100.00!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Nothing surprises me anymore Charlie!!!! Heck, it's "only" $4.2 Billion a year, hardly enough for the IRS to bother with when they're so busy trying to catch Joe Average, citizen tax payer, trying to cheat them out of $100.00!!!!!!

Irony.......................I just had to spend a few hundred to "prove" to them that I didn't owe $15000 additional on my 2010 return............a return that did in fact include the documentation they claimed was missing. However, with them, you're guilty until you prove you're innocent if you're in the wrong politcal classification (apparently......does being half Italian qualify me as Latino?).

Sorry if you've read this previously...

> THE NEW ANT and the Grasshopper, Two Versions:
> The ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER
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> This one is a little different....
> Two Different Versions ...
> Two Different Morals
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> OLD VERSION
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> The ant works hard in
> the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies
> for the winter.
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> The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the
> summer away.
>
> Come winter, the ant is warm and
> well fed.
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> The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.
>
> MORAL OF THE OLD STORY:
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> Be responsible for yourself!
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> MODERN VERSION
>
> The ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long,
> building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper
> thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
>
> Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands
> to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold
> and starving..
>
> CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, and ABC
> show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of
> the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
> America is stunned by the sharp contrast.
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> How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper
> is allowed to suffer so?
>
> Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when
> they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green...'
>
> Occupy the Anthill stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where
> the news stations film the SEIUgroup singing,
> We shall overcome.
>
> Then Rev. Jeremiah Wright
> has the group kneel down to pray for the grasshopper's sake,
> while he damns the ants.
>
> President Obama condems the ant and blames
> President Bush 43,
> President Bush 41, President Reagan, Christopher Columbus, and the Pope for
> the grasshopper's plight...
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> Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid
> exclaim in an interview with Larry
> King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper,
> and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair
> share.
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> Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity &
> Anti-Grasshopper Act
> retroactive to the beginning of
> the summer.
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> The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and,
> having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by
> the Government Green Czar and given to thegrasshopper.
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> The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends
> finishing up the last bits of the ant'sfood while the government house he is
> in, which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles
> around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it.
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> The ant has disappeared in the snow, never to be seen again.
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> The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident, and the house, now
> abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the ramshackle,
> once prosperous and peaceful, neighborhood.
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> The entire Nation collapses bringing the rest of the free world with it.
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> MORAL OF THE STORY:
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> Be careful how you vote in 2012.
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