How to raise a delinquent..

This was cut from a newspaper 20 years ago.
It has found its way into a local paper,the Stratford Press...together with a photo of a young male, wearing hoody, baggy jeans and attitude.

The police department of Houston,Texas,recentlydrew up ''rules' for parents who wish to turn their children into a juvenile delinquent..They are;

To begin at infancy to give the child everything he/she wants.
In this way,he will grow up believing the world owes him a living.
When he picks up bad words,laugh at him.
This will make him think he is cute.Never give him ant spiritual training.
Wait until he is 21 and then let him decide for himself,avoid the use of the word ''wrong''.
It may develop a guilt complex.This will condition him to believe later when he is arrested for stealing a car that society is against him,and he is being persecuted.
Pick up everything he leaves lying around.
Do everything for him so that he will experienced in throwing all responsibility on others.
Let him read any printed material he can get his hands on.
Be careful that the silver ware and drinking glasses are sterilised but let him feed on garbage.
Quarrel frequently in the presence of your children.In this way they will not be too shocked when the home is broken up later.
Give the child all his spending money he wants. Never let him earn his own. Why should he have it as tough as you had?
Satisfy his every craving for food. See that every second he gets what he wants. Denial may lead to harmful actions.
Take his side against neighbours, teachers, Police etc. They are all prejudiced against your child. When he gets into real trouble apologise for yourself by saying that, Ï couldnt do anything with him."
Prepaire for a life of grief - you will have it!!!
Against these 'rules'place one sure rule - found in the book of Proverbs
Train up your child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it.
This is NZ today

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Originally Posted by lamin8r

This was cut from a newspaper 20 years ago.
It has found its way into a local paper,the Stratford Press...together with a photo of a young male, wearing hoody, baggy jeans and attitude.


This is NZ today

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This saddens me... No matter where you go on earth, our youth have possibly reached a new "all-time low". I know that what I see here in Massachusetts makes me wonder where we'll end up in 20 years?!?!?

Or, is it a case of each generation having that thought? I wonder what my grandparents thought when they were watching the "hippies" at woodstock on television? :LOL:

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This saddens me... No matter where you go on earth, our youth have possibly reached a new "all-time low". I know that what I see here in Massachusetts makes me wonder where we'll end up in 20 years?!?!?

Or, is it a case of each generation having that thought? I wonder what my grandparents thought when they were watching the "hippies" at woodstock on television? :LOL:

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I wonder also whether or not each generation has the same thoughts,but I am sure that our generation had more respect for our elders than a very large percentage of this current batch of teens to late twenties...:eek:
I would like to think so anyway..

last I checked every generation has it's share of losers and winners.

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Originally Posted by lamin8r

I wonder also whether or not each generation has the same thoughts,but I am sure that our generation had more respect for our elders than a very large percentage of this current batch of teens to late twenties...:eek:
I would like to think so anyway..

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Oh YES! We certainly had / have much more respect for those around us and ourselves! "They" are far more worried about being dis-respected and haven't figured out that to get it, you must give it!

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Originally Posted by DeepRoots

last I checked every generation has it's share of losers and winners.

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True enough! But as I get older I must only see the Losers!:LOL:

I'm sure our parents thought the same about our generation .......... but it does seem to me that each generation seems to take things a little farther ........ really sad to see :(:(

We get a lot of the new generation where I work, lot of turn over, and the vast majority have no manners, no morals, and for the most part don't seem to give a d**n. :(:rolleyes:

The attitudes that many (most?) kids today is reflected in what they see and hear on the theater screens, TV and computers(and mom and dad). I'm sure I'm among the 'most elderly' here as far as age (not in mind tho) and can remember going through my grandfathers National Geographic magazines for those 'forbidden' pictures of topless 'native' women. Today, just turn on the TV and some of the movies feature nudity well beyond those magazines. There were the 'art' theaters back in the old days that had movies with Brigitte Bardot and others - not much to compare with today's general offerings. The language - I recall well the first time I uttered a profanity heard by mom. OUCH. Not much left for the imagination now from both boys and girls, men and women. The internet - holy moly - do a Google on certain words. Whatever you want to see - it's there in full living front, back internal color. Now back to TV - morning cable shows, even 4 square Fox News. 0700 or so - uhhhh mom, what's 'erectile dysfunction' from your 5 year old. Then the afternoon soap operas - mom, what's that red spot mean and what's a tampon? and from your 7 year old daughter. The world has lost its way as far as morals and codes of behavior. People do atrocities for the thrill of it with no thoughts of the consequences. Then of course, drugs. I have no personal experiences with them besides an occasional antibiotic or aspirin so have no 'feel' for what they can do. I do have an occasional adult beverage, and more then a couple times, a few more then that - but no longer. The war on drugs - not lost, but lots of battles have been failures. But an opinion of mine and probably some medical info to back it can probably be found is that many of the kids were damaged mentally by the drugs their parents used.

Then there are the racial problems that contribute but I wont discuss this subject on an internet forum.

I wish we could go back to the '50s and maybe regain our personal standards and some morality, but it gonna happen.

We see it all the time around us, Parents who let their kids get away with anything and think it is cute. I can take it for so long, then it gets the best of me and I have to say something. One time I was helping a customer who had his little Daughter with him, and she was tearing up the store. He was acting as if nothing was wrong. Finally, I said to him "Buddy, I feel sorry for you." He asked why, and I told him " If you have no control over her at this age you have no hope when she gets to be 16." He grabbed her by the hand and left the store, but someone had to tell this "Father" that he was doing a horrible job of teaching her right from wrong.

The biggest mistake I see Parents make is telling their kids to do one thing but doing just the opposite themselves. You can't tell your kids not to drink and drive or do drugs if you do it yourself........kids are smart and don't miss a trick. Both Parents also have to show a united stand when it comes to disciplining. If Dad says one thing and Mom disagrees in front of the kids, they will get mixed messages and feel they can use the weaker Parent to their advantage.

Raising good kids isn't Rocket Science, but you have to love them enough to sometimes tell them no, and to teach them life has rules and responsibilities. You need to teach them respect for others and manners from the very start.
Don

So she could stand on it and slap me, and I did. :LOL:

most people are too stupid to see how their actions effect kids.
por ejemplo
We had a rule for my daughter that she couldn't eat or drink anywhere other than in the kitchen. So she was drinking a glass of milk and spilled it on the keyboard.
well, naturally I went out and bought a new keyboard for $17. My daughter was not allowed to use the computer until she paid me $17 (alot for a 6 year old).
Grandma thought this was the most evil thing.... how could I punish her for a "mistake" as such grandma gave my daughter $17.

Wow.... really? so I confiscated the money, put it in my daughter's bank account and bitched out grandma on creating loser kids, and explained to her that THIS is why her other son spent 10 years in prison.

Anyway, you do not spoil a child with too much love. Some people do not understand that loving a child often means you have to let them walk the more difficult path so they can learn things on their own.

Drew

Probably one of the worst things to ever come down the pike was a book titled Baby and Child Care by Dr. Benjamin Spock whose own grandson committed suicide in 1983. I don't believe in book burning, but I might make an exception to that one.

We've had years of small erosions of civility and responsibility that all add up, and if we're honest we each have fallen on at least one occasion.

I see ads for "if you've accumulated more than $10k in credit card charges, we can get your record cleared....yada yada", or in other words there's a Federal Law that says if you're really "good" at racking up credit card bills, you can steal someone else's money to use for trips to Belise, jewelery, and so on, and not pay it back! Great lesson. Or how about, "it's not your fault, you're a victim, it's the fault of (fill in the blank, rich, whites, minories, yada yada). Or "those evil corporations, the rich, your boss, or whomever, that's keeping you down".

Those examples and many more are just piled on a formable mind and indirectly tell them that bad behavior (or what we used to call bad behavior) is acceptable, especially if you can dream up a politically correct excuse.

Now, in a sea of negative stuff we're all sharing, I see some light from time to time. Yesterday we took a little trip to Portland so I could buy some hot rod stuff I don't really need. We stopped for lunch at a fast food place. The two little girls in the next booth had to go potty. This place is on a busy intersection so must get a bunch of transient trade and in response they issue a key at the counter to open the head. So the two little girls go in. A short while later a woman with a couple more little girls comes in the front door and tries the bathroom door only to find it locked. A couple moments later the father in the booth next to us gets up and starts walking toward the bathrooms. He noticed the woman waiting and that his girls had been in there awhile. About half way there he had to stop because his girls came out. But we gave him credit for being both attentive and courteous.

Likewise, again in a restaurant (okay, I've got this thing about eating) a few months ago, there was a kid in a booth a couple away from us that was getting, oh let's call it restless. Mom was all over the situation. She reaches in her bag and pulls out a puzzle, a map of the United States, with the capital cities highlighted. In a few seconds the kid quieted right down as they got involved in putting the puzzle together and his learning the capital names. Very impressive. A short while later we were leaving and I couldn't help but go over and compliment the mother on her attentiveness to others around her, as well as choosing to do something educational to control her kid. She beamed at the acknowledgement. Man....we need more young parents like that. I feel the need to reinforce this kind of good behavior because I'm often just as likely to dress someone down for ignoring their ill behaved little rats (being the shy and retiring sort I am).

There is still hope.

Here's a little story kinda inline with the Topic !

When my youngest son was in High School, he was attending a Private Church Sponsored School and one day the phone at my Office rang and my secretary shouted, Emmett, it's Bo's school.

When I answered, another secretary said "would you hold for Mr. Nameless" and then Mr. Nameless got on the phone and said "your son, Bo, has failed to do the required detention after school and I need your permission to administer corporal punishment" - - - - - for a minute, I was speechless and then I said "are you asking me for permission to whip his A???" - - - and he said "Yes Sir" - - - - then I replied "you are his teacher and are responsible for him during the school day so that gives you complete authority and is what you are being paid for - - - and you don't have to call me for permission - - - - if he has broken the rules and not done what he was told then TEAR HIS A?? UP and be sure and tell him that he has another one coming after I get home"!

In August or September of 1949, I was 6 years old and had just stared the 2nd grade, I was out under a very large oak tree playing with some cars and trucks during recess. Another kid, my age, came along and wiped out a portion of the roads I had built in the dirt. Needless to say I took exception to that and the fight was on. One of the teachers saw the fight and broke it up and escorted both of us to the principals office where we both subjected to a few swats of her paddle. When I got home, I was living with my mother's parents, my grandmother paddled my butt again and when my grandfather got home it was deja-vu all over.
If that scenario was to play out today there would probably be at least three people in jail and the two combatants would probably feel as though they could get away with anything without any penalty.
This, in my opinion, is one of the major things wrong with our society today and it needs to be changed.

I believe we have both good and bad like some on here have already said.
How would you explain a parent with two kids and one is good and one is bad.
I know we have all seen that a time or two, is that because they spoil one child and not the other, I doubt it. So some kids are good and some are just bad. Yes I do agree that some times the up bringing can be a problem, but other times I think it's the company that the children keep. So you have to watch thier friends as well as teaching what is acceptable and what is not. Let's not forget we have alot of kids fighting for this country prepared to die, You say young folks. I say kids they can not vote or drink yet in public,
Though when I was in it was not hard for me at 17 to get a drink if I wanted too.
And yes I was a kid too. Just the way I see it, Oh and I don't believe any of them will be able to hear a thing, past 30 Years of age. But I'm a old grump now. Tried to post this earlier but was having problems with the site. HE! HE! HE! Kurt

I know, Kurt, sometimes even kids that are raised right go south. One or two kids in a family are ok but one gets in trouble constantly.

I guess things go on inside some peoples heads that you just have no answers for.

Don

MY Wiffy watches HLN and I caught a little bit of it yesterday when they were talking about two famous delinquents named Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton. I wouldn't P'?? on either of them if they were on fire.

The story was that they had been caught with drugs and they also tested positive for drug use and they are supposed to be on probation.

"What kind of message does that send to our young people about the System that we have here in the States?"

I know what it tells them, and we have seen it time and time again.
If you have money you can get away with anything!!!
We seen it with so called Star's all the time.
OJ is probably the one that everone remembers, if that had been any of us
we would have been hung out to dry after the shocking had stopped.
Whats that old saying that is still true through all the years!!!
MONEY TALKS AND BS WALKS, they should have applied that to our court system!!!
Just the way I see it. Kurt

Have any of you seen some of the dumb*** Mothers who take their young Daughters to an event where Paris or Lindsay are appearing, and hold them up as a role model for their Girls? Makes you want to reach through the TV and shake that Mother and try to make her realize that when her own Kid starts behaving badly that she only has to look in the mirror to see who caused that to happen.

I think some Parents are afraid to be Parents and take the easier route of becoming "friends" with their Kids.

Don

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Have any of you seen some of the dumb*** Mothers who take their young Daughters to an event where Paris or Lindsay are appearing, and hold them up as a role model for their Girls? Makes you want to reach through the TV and shake that Mother and try to make her realize that when her own Kid starts behaving badly that she only has to look in the mirror to see who caused that to happen.

I think some Parents are afraid to be Parents and take the easier route of becoming "friends" with their Kids.

Don

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Out of our 4 kids (and 10 grandchildren), we have one daughter, the single mom, who is/was like that. Her son, our grandchild, age 8 is not allowed in our house!! His father and current trash can wife have made him a monster - mouthing off at his mother plus hitting her on occasion, destroying others property, sulking, having nasty 'attacks' when he doesn't get his way, etc. He has been taken to counseling, been worked with at school but his mom, our daughter is not consistent with how he is punished or praised. Grounded for a week for a major infraction ,that is, until tomorrow. He is about to be dropped off at his fathers for good.

Our other three kids/their spouses and 8 GC are fine, tho I am starting to see a couple of the youngest being spoiled - but.....and of course we help with that. But they are basically good, have manners and are going to grow up just fine

As the Duly Appointed Representative of the mid to late 20s crowd, I would just like to say its all the generations before me's fault :p . In All seriousness, something that has been lacking in this country has been a sense of self responsibility. From those who rack up massive bills they cant pay buying things they don't need and cant afford, to our very own "its everyones fault but mine" government. This type of mentality is destroying millions of people who try to look up to others every day. Granted, there is the occasional bright spot, but every generation shows the next. It takes a Village to raise a child. As such, every trait from the generation before is passed along, good or bad. And if there is an increasing number of bad influences, then the number will increase exponentially every generation. And this is truely a sad state of afairs

im 23 and 90% of my "friends" or aquitences are at least twice my age, IE 35+ i cannont stand 98% of people my age, and i never have been able to, was hard being in HS!!! baggy pants dont "dis me" attitude. you want respect? EARN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not saying you drg84 just counting the masses here.

i cannont STAND people who want "respect" but havent earned a damn bit of it!! i want this , i want that. put the bong down, drop the xbox controller, quit texting and get a F-ING JOB. yes they are hard to find out here umemployment rate in my town is about 20-25% i had to move because of it BUT it goes back to the attitude?? pester someone in a shop until they cant stand you anymore and start making you clean up or something.

when i worked for bucky austin on the race team guess what i did? i cleaned his shop's, his personal cars, the race rigs and trailers, and detailed his RV. also got to work on the race cars and all that. but you know what? just being there made it all worth it, and i didint have a problem being low man on the totem pole.

you wont die if you start out on the bottom and work your way up. TRUST ME.

oh well im off my soapbox , for now :)

Hopefully we have many more young folk like you guys to help right the ship. Don't give up!

Parenting is one of the hardest, yet most rewarding, jobs that I have ever undertaken. Yet, my grandchildren are watching the media make celebrity Moms out of Kate "Gooseling" and the Octo-Mom. IMHO, Parenting is much more difficult these days than when I was raising mine so "Good Luck future Parents"

Gasser, I have to agree with you on this one. Respect is earned, not given. However, on that note, it becomes harder and harder to get a chance to earn said respect due to those who precede us, weather in jobs, interviews or actions. However, i do have something that will hopefully impress you guys as much as it did me.
I got a call this morning saying that we needed extra help hauling out grape trays. For those who dont know, a grape tray is a 4X2 plastic tub filled with about 40-50 lbs of grapes. Now imagine hauling these up onto a moving trailer about 200 times in 4 hours. Yeah. Aaaanyway, i called my adopted brother who was busy and asked him if he wanted to work. yeah, no dice. Well here comes the miracle.
I called my genetic brother who was with his girlfriend 2 town over. He jumped at the chance, walked 20 miles to meet me on the way into work. 7AM, he walks 20 miles to go to work. And the amazing part is he worked fast, steady with no complaints. He was good enough that my boss took his cell phone number and told him to expect calls in the future. I was proud and impressed to say the least :D

This ought to help kids define between what's right and wrong. Read this online today..unbelievable!...:eek:


One assistant high school coach brought a new meaning to "backfield in motion" during a high school football game in New York City.

The Boys and Girls High School assistant coach dropped his shorts during the game, exposing his backside to the home fans of the Campus Magnet High School in Queens, N.Y. after a disputed call by the referees.

The surprising show of skin from the assistant coach came after a shoving match on the field between assistant coaches and school safety officials.

"His fellow assistant coaches were holding him back and he turned around and pulled down his shorts," David Sumter, 40, a Campus Magnet parent told the New York Daily News. "All I saw was his big [rear end]."

The melee began when Campus Magnet scored a 2-point conversion try after the team's running back Raeshawn Lewis was apparently stripped of the ball as he crossed the goal line, according to the Daily News. When the refs confirmed the ruling on the field, Boys and Girls Club assistant coach Clive Harding ran to dispute the call.

School safety officials were then summoned as the assistant coach continued to yell at officials, which stoked the assistant coach's anger.

The refs then ejected the team's coach Barry O'Connor and Harding as fans continued to heckle the them.

That's when Harding lost his shorts.

Walking to the fence, he began screaming at fans and then gave them an eyefull of his backside.

"I think he was so frustrated and he wanted to fight and some people were using curse words and he couldn't do anything," Sumter told the Daily News. "It's out of line. If you're getting beat and it's a bad call, you take it in stride. You don't pull your pants down."

But while Harding's action were less than stellar, his players'actions were anything but.

"Both benches, especially the Boys and Girls kids, acted like gentlemen," PSAL Commissioner Alan Arbuse told the Daily News.

a draft might shape up a few of these snot nosed kids also.

hell i tried to join 6 times every time was told to fat. when you volunteer for infantry duty in iraq <this was a few years ago mind you> and they still say your to fat, well you know.......

being 6'6 300 they wouldnt let me, yet at the time convicted felons and a few rapists got to go in...................

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Originally Posted by gassersrule_196

a draft might shape up a few of these snot nosed kids also.

hell i tried to join 6 times every time was told to fat. when you volunteer for infantry duty in iraq <this was a few years ago mind you> and they still say your to fat, well you know.......

being 6'6 300 they wouldnt let me, yet at the time convicted felons and a few rapists got to go in...................

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Another good point....Our compulsory militiary training was abolished about 40 years ago,,it needs to be brought back,so these little oxygen thieves can learn the finer points of respect..and it could all start by spending the winter in the Waiouru Military camp in the centre of our North Island,,also known as the central plateau,where it snows,and has thousands of square miles of tussock grass,and sand,,and snow..did I mention the snow???:LOL::LOL:
Teach them a spot of,,yes sir,no sir,how much shine on the boots sir???:D