We still pay about $20 a bottle for gas... I see TONS of people using flux core wire on body work and frames too and can't believe it, i guess ya use what ya have though. Saw one body that was welded with a stick welder! I have a 110V Mig with .023 wire for that, 220v mig with .035 and .045 wire, and a tig for all the various parts that need work done. Flux core is just too messy. you think its expensive to buy the tools and materials and do the work yourself... Try paying someone else! haha. The stripping, narrowing, boxing, welding, fabbing pieces, grinding, straightening, replacing pieces just on my frame i figure i have close to 100 hours (probably more) in it. even at $50 an hour thats $5000 plus materials. you can buy a lot of gas, metal, and wire for that! But ya still can't buy a tube frame for that price. Im curious what anyone has paid someone to take a stock frame and box it, replacing crossmembers, and putting a Mustang 2 suspension on it? Anyone have an experiences where they paid for that or know someone that did?