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do you realize what just happened this was huge power grab the epa has taken the power to set c.a.f.e. standards away from the electorate. I don't think you realize how this effects hot rodders and racers and all of this effects all energy sources gasoline and electric they can with the stroke of pen limit the amount of any fuel you can purchase and there can be no discussion no congressional vote no veto this arrogant attitude of the people be damned is prevalent now try this on for size the epa dictates cafe stds. of 50 mpg and determines that people should be limited to 12000 miles per year they think you should use public transportation so you can apply for a gas card and if approved you git a card with a magnetic strip that you have to swipe at the gas pump like a credit card you are limited to 20 gals per month after that you pay a sur charge of say $4.00 per gal. try that in your hemi or big block see how far you get.the real problem is you can call all the congressmen you want they can't do a thing it was directed by the director of the epa a cabinet post appointed by the president. bill you want to shut down this thread because you think its political I guess you have that power. and we can all stick our heads in the sand with our butt' in the air....ted

Not simply because of the situation you have posted, but I honestly believe our days are numbered..........better enjoy our cars now. Too many reasons for "those in charge" to make it impossible for us to license or drive them.......... environmental, safety, depletion of fuel supplies, etc. And I'm not saying it is just the current administration (who I personally like) but elected officials on State and Federal levels who look at us and say "that can't be good for us!"

Build'em while you can guys.............I bet 10-20 years from now we are all driving around in little econoboxes powered by electric motors. :(:(

Don

Is this where we are going? We all have our rights to remain silent or anything we say or do with our hot rods can and will be used against us.:confused:

Richard

Ted,

Actually in your case (being in a state that feels they know what is best for the rest of the country and expects everyone to conform to their rules/regulations/laws) this is a blessing in disguise for more reasons than I am willing to print on a public access form. I'll leave it at that for now and will only say, Da Bunnies(tm) will be watching :D ...................


Bill S.

gues i'll use what fuel i can get to go buy more ammo

If we all figure out how to get 425HP out of a washing machine motor, they'll just up our electric bill because we keep 'em plugged in, charging the batteries all the time. We're in trouble no matter what we do at this point.

CAFE standards apply to manufactureres, don't they???? Something like Corporate Average Fuel Economy???? Guess I don't see where this pertains to Hot Rods, and where the gas ration cards come in.... Wikpedia has a little about it;

Historically EPA has encouraged consumers to buy more fuel efficient vehicles while NHTSA expresses concerns that smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles may lead to increased traffic fatalities. [6] [7]

If the average fuel economy of a manufacturer's annual fleet of car and/or truck production falls below the defined standard, the manufacturer must pay a penalty, currently $5.50 USD per 0.1 mpg under the standard, multiplied by the manufacturer's total production for the U.S. domestic market. Historically, higher fuel efficiency was associated with lower traffic safety, intertwining the issues of fuel economy, road-traffic safety, air pollution, and climate change. In the mid 2000s, increasing safety of smaller cars and poor safety history of light trucks began to reverse this association.

Curious where some of this "information" comes from??? Any kind of reliable source or just some BS that somebody makes up???? Haven't seen a thing in the Congressional Digest the last few years concerning fuel rationing.....

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Ted,

Actually in your case (being in a state that feels they know what is best for the rest of the country and expects everyone to conform to their rules/regulations/laws) this is a blessing in disguise for more reasons than I am willing to print on a public access form. I'll leave it at that for now and will only say, Da Bunnies(tm) will be watching :D ...................


Bill S.

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Good point, Bill.... Fortunately the state of Caliphony doesn't dictate National Standards. From the news reports, the state is so broke it'll probably be up for sale soon anyway....:LOL::LOL::LOL:

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CAFE standards apply to manufacturers, don't they???? Something like Corporate Average Fuel Economy????

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you are correct. Since it's an average, gas guzzlers spewing out high levels of hydrocarbons still exist. the real change will be when they do away with CAFE and require all vehicles to meet a fuel economy standard. What will be real bad is when they apply it to hotrods. I believe that even states that have emission testing only require vehicles to meet requirements applicable to the model year so older cars are still not affected...someone correct me if I'm wrong please...we don't have testing in Alabama so I'm no expert on the subject. How do they deal with streetrods? Do they require the car to meet the standards of the vehicle that donated it's engine?

Guess I still don't see anything now or coming in the near or not so near future where Hot Rods will have to meet cafe standards. Other then some SEMA induced legislation that will actually help Hot Rodding, haven't seen anything pending against us..... Seems like the extreme elements like to come up with some of this wild stuff just to see how many folks that can get agitated or something...... If your state government is that far gone from reality, maybe it's time the sensible folks took over at election time and sent them home....?????

if you cannot see the looming crisis of the once great country your must be blind! this is what ive been telling people for years!!!

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I'll leave it at that for now and will only say, Da Bunnies(tm) will be watching :D ...................


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if you cannot see the looming crisis of the once great country your must be blind! this is what ive been telling people for years!!!

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Call me blind. I see an economic crisis, some racial issues still, and a government that has gotten ineffiecient, too big, and too expensive but I don't see any sort of apocolyptic event coming that man creates.... Just a bunch of way out their types on the fringes who for whatever reasons seem to WANT something terrible to take place.... Just exactly what is the looming crisis, and where is the irrefutable evidence??? What I do see is a whole lot of people who don't like the way the government operates and can't seem to understand that the only way to fix it is at the voting box!!!!!!!

Does this happen (whatever it is) before or after we all get those little chips in our arms so the CIA knows where we are every minute of every day?????:LOL::LOL::LOL: or, if you buy into the Nostradamus series of coincidence and very, very loose intepretation of events, the world ends in 3 years anyway, so why worry about it????:LOL::LOL::LOL:

Good God Dave Don't say that, I'm not sure I'll be done with my car by then.
I would like to drive it at least once, Guess I'll have to sell my pick up then!!!
You guy's Stop your starting to scare me!!!
Aw what the heck I probably only have a year or two left anyway. Kurt

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Bill S.

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Call me blind. I see an economic crisis, some racial issues still, and a government that has gotten ineffiecient, too big, and too expensive but I don't see any sort of apocolyptic event coming that man creates.... Just a bunch of way out their types on the fringes who for whatever reasons seem to WANT something terrible to take place.... Just exactly what is the looming crisis, and where is the irrefutable evidence??? What I do see is a whole lot of people who don't like the way the government operates and can't seem to understand that the only way to fix it is at the voting box!!!!!!!

Does this happen (whatever it is) before or after we all get those little chips in our arms so the CIA knows where we are every minute of every day?????:LOL::LOL::LOL: or, if you buy into the Nostradamus series of coincidence and very, very loose intepretation of events, the world ends in 3 years anyway, so why worry about it????:LOL::LOL::LOL:

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every time congress passes a bill they try to slip in a way to crush your cars. but don't worry thay have taken that out of there hands now. some people just don' get it ...ted

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every time congress passes a bill they try to slip in a way to crush your cars. but don't worry thay have taken that out of there hands now. some people just don' get it ...ted

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Put me on the list of the one's that just don't get it, I guess!!! This conspiracy stuff is really getting far out!!!! You guys ain't staying up late at night watching them scary movies on the Sci-Fi channel again, are you??????:LOL::LOL::LOL:

PS--when is it they're gonna inject all of us with them little deals so they can track our every move???? My dog has one of them, do you suppose the CIA can tell where he poops?????:LOL::LOL::LOL:

Ted, was this a Californa EPA thing or a US EPA thing. I checked out SEMA and there was a nice article on C.A.F.E. but nothing to the magnitude of what you wrote about. I guess SEMASAN may not haven't gotten around to posting it yet, but usually they are on top of this stuff.

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build'em while you can guys.............I bet 10-20 years from now we are all driving around in little econoboxes powered by electric motors.

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The only good thing?? about this, is that in 10 to 20 years, I'll be 73 to 83 years old and hustling down the road in anything other than a golf cart or a wheel chair, may prove to be challenging.:LOL::LOL: And not to be rude, but at that age I probably won't give a crap about what part of hotrodding is left for the next generation.:eek::LOL::LOL:

Actually it all sounds like another form of the government's old favorite....rationing!:eek:

ok I guess i am going to have to spell this out for some people the u.s. epa has declared co2 and 5 other gases to be major health risks and the cause of global warming so they can regulate there production that means the can enact laws and regulations to limit there production ( without legislation ) and this administration has stated it wants to act rapidly and aggressively on global warming (aka climate change ) congress has for years has tried to do this for years but they run into strong resistance from sema nsra nhra auto restorers ase conservatives and auto mfgrs. and business people who all have very effective lobbyist groups who threaten them at the ballot box so thy have backed down but all that is gone now. this is the same way the left treats defense cuts and base closures they all want them but the know if the vote for it the voters in there districts will take it out on them at the ballot boxes the nimby syndrome not in my back yard so what do they do the appoint a bunch of retired has beens call it a blue ribbon commission and they can stay above it all and the say don't him don't blame me blame the man behind the tree ( politically known a plausible deniability ) if you don't believe there will be changes and sooner rather than later you must have your head stuck in the ground up in moose balls south Dakota......ted

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ok I guess i am going to have to spell this out for some people the u.s. epa has declared co2 and 5 other gases to be major health risks ..ted

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ted,

First, leave the personal attacks offline....Second, I see several California EPA/BAR articles that speak about this, but cannot find one that is based on the Federal EPA stating it in public..Care to post a credible (no, not smokinggun or nightrider) source of an article?



Bill S.

well bill try google inter epa co2 emissions that should give you plenty to read try Forbes link or any of them the regulations will start in June after the endangerment finding report is release to the public you think they haven't been working on this for a long time they know the can't pull of a rationing plan there not stupid but they can sell it as a way to get even with the evil rich like us and make anybody with low mileage cars ( pay our fair share) you want to understand this FOLLOW THE MONEY btw people in calaphony don't make personal attacks about the place a person lives....ted

Sorry Ted, no moose in South Dakota... and I'll go back to calling California but it's correct name....I'm sure it's a lovely place to live.


Still waiting for the rationing plan bill announcement in the Congressional Digest..... Just who is it that is going to be doing the rationing coupon thing???? "They" is just a bit vague. Any links to the bill or the legislators who are preparing it? Heck, I'm still watching for the bill that will take away everybody's guns...no sign of it yet either! I believe the car crushing bill died a silent death, too.....