Thread: How are gas prices affecting you???

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Originally Posted by Rocky72

From what I see the Bush Administration can do just about anything it wants , but thats just my opinion .

Rocky

Yep, that's it.....It's all Bush's fault.
Can you explain exactly how this administration has anything what so ever to do with what you are claiming here?

In the other post there is claim that Clinton stopped all the exploration , but if you lived here you would see thats a bunch of bull . They look for coal and gas just about anywhere they please .

You could live in Sweden or the neighboring countries and pay $11+ per gallon...

...but if you really want a deal, emigrate to Saudi Arabia. Their gas is 45 cents per gallon. You could get a job ironing white robes, or polishing their Ferraris! :-)

Originally Posted by Rocky72

In the other post there is claim that Clinton stopped all the exploration

This is not true, here is the quote.....

Originally Posted by Don Shillady

As I recall Bill Clinton vetoed the bill for drilling in ANWR and the obstructionist D-party has continued to block drilling and other energy policies but today had the nerve to grill oil company execs and blame them!

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

This in fact true, in 1995 Bill Clinton vetoed the entire U.S. budget because it included opening up ANWR for drilling.

So again, Can you explain exactly how this administration has anything what so ever to do with what you are claiming here?

Originally Posted by ceh383

This is not true, here is the quote.....



This in fact true, in 1995 Bill Clinton vetoed the entire U.S. budget because it included opening up ANWR for drilling.

So again, Can you explain exactly how this administration has anything what so ever to do with what you are claiming here?

It never ceases to amaze me that people think that ANY President can wave a magic wand and get whatever he wants or do whatever he wants. The Congress HOLDS the purse strings and the President can either sign bills into law or veto them.
Let's see, in the '70's the towel heads cut production and the price of oil went up, simple supply and demand. Today oil futures are being traded as if they were gold and the speculators are driving up prices. Granted the refineries are not producing at anywhere near max and that should be addressed, but the Congress has forbid drilling in Alaska and put so many roadblocks for new refineries that building new ones is not feasible.
Remember, industry creates jobs, not government.

Originally Posted by NTFDAY

It never ceases to amaze me that people think that ANY President can wave a magic wand and get whatever he wants or do whatever he wants. The Congress HOLDS the purse strings and the President can either sign bills into law or veto them.
Let's see, in the '70's the towel heads cut production and the price of oil went up, simple supply and demand. Today oil futures are being traded as if they were gold and the speculators are driving up prices. Granted the refineries are not producing at anywhere near max and that should be addressed, but the Congress has forbid drilling in Alaska and put so many roadblocks for new refineries that building new ones is not feasible.
Remember, industry creates jobs, not government.

There ya go!!!! Don't blame the oil companies, like any other business they're just trying to make a profit for their stockholders.... No administration can be held liable for the situation we have allowed ourselves to be placed in, nor can any party or faction....

One new refinery is in the planning stages, right here in South Dakota... figure that one out!!!! and guess what? There's people that don't want one built here because of all the construction people who would move here, potential of pollution, upsetting the tax base, and a whole host of other ridiculous reasons........

Blaming the government is just a copout anyway.... They only have as much power as the voters give them..........

Have any of you heard of the huge oil fields supposedly in South Dakota or Colorado under some lake? If the rumours I've heard are true, were talking billions of barrels of oil. I heard it has problems due to it's orientation to the land and water?

I guess it could be worse..........gas in England is around $ 11 a gallon right now. Lets see, 20 gallon tank X $ 11 = $ 220.00. WOW !!

I bet some of those Mid East oil Barons are living high on the hog about now.

Don

Rocky, it's been a long time since I wallowed around in the coal dust washed down the Schuykill from rinsing out coal cars in Schuykill Haven so I don't know the local details anymore. I have also seen stuff I can't understand here in Virginia when coal slurry pipelines from West Virginia to the port in Hampton were blocked politically so it is always a struggle between powerful forces and we often don't know the full details. However, somebody ought to figure out the current problem with crude at over $135/bbl. No doubt strip mining is very ugly and tunnel mining is very dangerous, but maybe what you have seen will only get worse as the need for fuel increases. My wife says "we" should take care of the polar bears, but if you balance a loss of polar bears and caribou against strip mining somebody ought to have the common sense to invoke benefits to humans. For every impressionable youngster who wants to save the polar bears someone ought to remind them that those same bears would kill and eat them in a minute! It just looks to me that the Bush Administration was/is oriented toward Big Oil, but at just about every chance the Dems blocked them and now we have the present situation. Probably what you have seen may get worse as commercial trucking, personal travel by air and car as well as winter heating in the North East all feel the pinch of much higher fuel costs. I would guess that the new refinery Dave mentioned is linked to the "oil under a lake" in Col. and S. Dakota. So again it will be important to do it right and not make it too ugly for the environmentalists AND GET THE OIL!

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

Originally Posted by stovens

Have any of you heard of the huge oil fields supposedly in South Dakota or Colorado under some lake? If the rumours I've heard are true, were talking billions of barrels of oil. I heard it has problems due to it's orientation to the land and water?

Think it's to be connected to some big oil pipeline that runs through the state from Canada or something... Who cares??? Lots of jobs that pay decent!!! Of course here in the poverty belt most all the retailers, manufacturers, and production plants are against it because they sure wouldn't want some company coming in here that pays it's employees a decent wage!!!!!

There's people that don't want one built here because of all the construction people who would move here, potential of pollution, upsetting the tax base, and a whole host of other ridiculous reasons........

Sounds like the way a city/town/America was founded ....men seeking jobs ,who spent money and purchased homes and settled down........holy mackeral .....dont let that happen ,more oil and more jobs........somebody better protest or hug a tree fast....
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This is the point I have been making ,...its completely confused and backwards , people have been soo mislead and truely believe a prosperous oppertunity is bad for the town ... .. ... .. ... .. ...

basically i have to borrow money just to get to work.

Well in reality,we do have an excellent source for combustable fuel,and its source nobody wants near them either. Funny thing is,everybody has to have at least one,and millions of tax dollars are spent to build the sites and then not take advantage of the fuel they produce. The fuel is called methane,and every single landfill produces it. Most places I know of just burn it off,instead of putting it to work. Hank

The comments by Dave are encouraging. It makes economic sense to build a new refinery in the N/S-Dakota region and of course boom town mentality is a dynamic process. You can find references to Marathon Oil drilling near Bismark ND and if/when the oil sands in Canada are piped out it will be from a region roughly north of Bismark. Some of the drilling sites are on Indian land and some on Federal land. From what I can understand the oil is really deep and requires horizontal drilling under a lake. In the case of the Canadian oil sands in Saskatchewan and perhaps also near Bismark, the oil may require piping steam down the well hole to liquify the petroleum or treating crushed shale with steam in the case of the Canadian oil sands. That is why the sources were previously too expensive but with oil now at over $135/bbl it is possible to get the oil and make money after all the expense. As Itoldyouso and others have mentioned U.S. gas is still much cheaper than in other parts of the world but the recent sudden jump in price is making tough growing pains in the U.S. economy. Thanks for the local info Dave, it looks to me that the price of gas will remain high but it is there for maybe the next century from new sources in North America. For me to answer the question of this thread, it is ranging from depressive worry over "why should I build a SBC 350 which will at best get maybe 24 mpg using an AOD" to "Hey, never mind being on a fixed income in an inflationary situation, there will still be some gas for quite a while". Overall the main problem is the inflation that the increase in oil prices brings to folks on fixed incomes, but considering the roadster will probably only be used on summer weekends all I have to do now is get one of the 34-36 mpg little Chevys for everyday use. Thanks for the chance to discuss this and thrash it out!

Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder

We lift 2 or 3 miles from a landfill that has contaminated all the wells around here and we have had to bring in Lake Michigan water and seal our wells-


The landfill sells off near a MILLION dollars per month of methane gas to ComEd which burns it for electric generation

Landfill is Mallard Lake Landfill in DuPage county Illinois if anyone wants to research the mess