thanks guys,I cant quit completely ,its too much fun cursing.red, thanks I didn t think of a dremal/I no longer have a compressor or torch. I live in arow home with a10x20 garage.Putting agrinder under the car 15 inches off the ground isnt easy.The reason for crying is because I SPENT 3 HRS OUT THERE AND GOT 2 BOLTS OUT AND ROUNDED OFF3 MORE GUYS THANKS FOR THE ENCOURAGEMENT.I LLBE BACK TO BITCH AGAIN PHIL THE GEEZER