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Originally Posted by Mike P

I just looked at the Fitech dual quad set up, it looks like it would be fun to play with.



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I think so too. But $1700 for the non power adder and $1900 for the power adder are what is holding me back right now.

Yeah I noticed the price on that too.

I hope nobody got the impression that I hate Holleys. I've run a lot of them over the years......and made some good money rebuilding/tuning them for customers. Back when I was much younger, I usually ran an AFB during the week and on Friday throw a Holley on and go play during the weekend then put the Carter back on Sunday night.

I got a friend back here who loves Holleys and if he picks up an AFB I usually have a Holley sitting on the shelf and we trade one for one. Unfortunately he's working in Afghanistan right now so I can't see what he's got sitting on his shelf right now.



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I didn't get that impression Mike. If I run the 2-4 Offy I've got in the garage on the Vette it'll probably get a pair of Eddy's unless I can find holley's cheaper.

Your mention of the Offy Dual Quad brought a smile to my face. I ran an Offy 2X4 on my old 65 Biscayne (350 4 speed).

65 Biscayne 2 by M Patterson, on Flickr


I ran an older pair of Carters on that and loved it.


65 Dual quad by M Patterson, on Flickr


A couple of months ago I tried to find the Offenhauser progressive linkage like I had on that set up for a customers car. Pretty much unavailable, and when I did come across a couple of them they were well over $100. I ended up using the cheaper one the same style with the stamped steel slide.....and as I recall that wasn't real cheap either. I'll probably just end up building my own when it comes time for it on the Hemi.




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Is this what you were referring too Mike?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/58-59-60-61...53.m1438.l2649

That's the one I used on the customers car Ken. The one I was hunting for is pretty much the same except the piece the linkage rod slides thru is cast aluminum like the one in my picture above.



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I just spent a half hour or so looking at AFB's on ebay and some of the prices are ridiculous at best. I think I'll wait until our big swap meet in August and see if I can find anything within reason. This is the only thing I saw on ebay that might be worth the asking price. I had a couple of old ones and used to double spring them.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-65-CAR...9XVd2C&vxp=mtr

Originally Posted by NTFDAY

I just spent a half hour or so looking at AFB's on ebay and some of the prices are ridiculous at best. I think I'll wait until our big swap meet in August and see if I can find anything within reason. This is the only thing I saw on ebay that might be worth the asking price. I had a couple of old ones and used to double spring them.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-65-CAR...9XVd2C&vxp=mtr

I wasn't looking for AFB's, but I was looking for edelbrocks. I did notice that swap meet prices were higher than craigslist and ebay. I wasn't thrilled to have to pay $180 each for my 390cfm holleys. But new ones are $580ea and were out of stock when I was searching. Edelbrock 600s were bringing $200+ at swap meets and looked horrid. It is crazy how much used carbs are bringing these days. I used to be able to buy 750 and 850 double pumpers for less than $100 at swap meets. Now you can get a hand full of parts for one for that at a swap meet it seems.

Yeah, I hear you both, pretty much the same here. I did make a great score at the TSRA swap meet last year though. A complete AFB with free shafts from a 64 Buick for $10!!!!! There out there, but way few and far between.

Kits for any of them have gone thru the roof too. Fortunately I've been able to find Needles and seats separately and have some accelerator pumps on hand, which are about the only parts that occasionally need replaced on the Carters/Edelbrocks.


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I’ve been doing carburetors the last couple of days. The two 9000 series Carters I picked up at the swap meet were pretty grungy but at least were complete and didn’t have any corrosion internally.

sm2 by M Patterson, on Flickr

They both cleaned up well and I had enough parts on hand to build one so I only had to buy one kit. I verified they were both jetted the same and have the same step rods and springs so that will be my starting point.

I built the carb I’m going to be using as the primary carb back to the way it originally was and removed the choke from the carb that will be used as the secondary carb. It happens the carb spacing on the factory manifold is just right to use an aftermarket fuel line for a Holley dual feed double pumper, which takes care of having to build fuel lines.

DQ by M Patterson, on Flickr


The choke parts didn’t go to waste. I’d picked up an Eldebrock 600 parts carb hoping that I’d be able to use that and parts from another 600 I had to build one good carb.

sm1 by M Patterson, on Flickr


Everything worked out well on that (I even had a kit on the shelf for it). The body I used to build it was originally a manual choke so it inherited the left over electric choke from the Carter.

EDL by M Patterson, on Flickr


The wifes’ Mustang and El Camino both have 600 Eldebrocks on them so this one will sit on the shelf as a spare for now.



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Mike, have you seen this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/112642692463?ul_noapp=true

Mike, is it best to have the carb with the choke on the rear and not on the front? That is pretty cool that holley double pumper feed line fit those carbs on your intake. I have yet to rebuild my carbs. I have the kits for them, so if things don't work out on a Fitech, I'll just run the carbs.

I saw this on there and this seems pretty cheap IMO.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354-HEMI-CH...paByjL&vxp=mtr

“….Mike, have you seen this?.......”

Thanks Ken, I saw you had posted it on Ryans’ thread. I book marked it so I could see what the final bid is. I’m like Ryan I think it will go high (I’d guess in the $750-1000 range) but I really haven’t followed the prices in a couple of years.

The manifold is basically an aluminum copy of the original Chrysler Dual Quad intake set up for bigger carbs. The carbs are probably buildable, the numbers show up for 500CFM chokeless, but I really don’t know what’s going on with the venturies in the front carb (first picture).

I’m with you on the 354 Hemi Ryan it seems way to cheap and my initial impression was it’s probably a scam. I looked at the guys feedback though and seeing some of the other stuff he has sold and what it went for it might be legit.

Opinions vary about the need for a second choke and even the factory set ups varied on whether they used 1 or 2 depending on the manufacture and engine. On the dual quad engines I’ve had I ended up using progressive linkage (although I tried both synchronize and progressive to see what the engine liked better). Running progressive linkage the rear carb becomes the primary carb as the primaries are closer to the center of the manifold and you really only need a choke on the primary carb. Getting two choke to close and open at about the same time can be a bit of a challenge, it’s doable and a lot easier with electric chokes than using exhaust manifold heat or a choke stove.



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Ryan I went back and relooked at the Hemi again.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354-HEMI-CH...575?rmvSB=true

Before I spent any money on it I’d sure like to see some receipts or maybe talk to Bob at Hot Hemi Heads to see if he remembers the build.

A couple of things I noticed when I looked at the pictures were the heads/timing cover. The timing cover is the one with the built in chevy water pump adapters for the 51-54 331 car/51-59 truck and marine engines (331 and 354). I can’t really tell from the pictures but the 51-54 car and some of the truck/industrial/truck heads used the less desirable small port/small valve heads.

Even if the heads have the larger ports/valves the biggest problem is the heads on that engine really limit the intake manifold selection. The late 54-57 car heads have the water ports on the ends of the heads and use the crossover pipe with the thermostat housing located in the crossover. The later heads are set up for a “dry intake”. Without the crossover provisions, you are limited to using a “wet intake” with the water passages and thermostat housing built into the intake. As far as I know that leaves you with factory cast iron 2 barrel and single 4 barrel intake manifolds.

To use any of the more popular aftermarket intakes with those heads would probably require some added plumbing on the intake to pick the water up from the heads to get it back to the radiator. Something like that had been done to the old 6X2 intake that is on my 37 Dodge sometime in its life before I got it.

6X2 by M Patterson, on Flickr


Yeah that’s some kind of ugly.

Anyway, not saying the Hemi isn't worth the money, it just might be a surprise for a first time Hemi buyer.




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