Trouble breaking a couple bolts.. Time to introduce him to a 1/2" drive SK breaker bar and a three foot length of pipe.
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Trouble breaking a couple bolts.. Time to introduce him to a 1/2" drive SK breaker bar and a three foot length of pipe.
".....Time to introduce him to a 1/2" drive SK breaker bar and a three foot length of pipe......" :LOL::LOL:
He has mentioned that a time or 2. I explained to him then that that is the reason his dad has a box full of broken ratchets.
He has learned that while there is a RARE time and place for that it's best to get a longer/bigger wrench or handle from Grandpas' box. He has a little problem lifting my 3/4" drive handles though :LOL::LOL:
He's old enough that I do let him use the impact wrenchs though....mostly just to take stuff off at this point.
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So, are you guys for against putting the box end on an open end wrench for extra leverage? I've done this several times but you must be a master at control to not get bitten. :LOL:
I do that at work once in awhile, cause I'm to lazy to walk back to the box of tools. Then one of the younger guys will try to emulate what I did and there are some that just can't figure out how I did it, even tho they watched me hook the box end onto the open end got the added leverage! 8-)
I've been known to do that on occasion too. :LOL:
On a side note, there probably won't be any updates on the thread for a while. I just got off the phone with Cades' mom and it seems somebody isn't keeping his grades up and has some missing homework. :rolleyes:
Doing the car and being able to drive it when he gets his license has always been tied to how he does in school. I'd kind of figured this would happen at some point so we'll just wait and see how long it takes him to get his school work back where it belongs.
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Tough love, but a great lesson in life and a good motivational facter to find balance between fun and responsibility
Cade passed the first semester (by the skin of his teeth) so he is allowed to go back to work on the Mustang. That being the case we made room in the shop to do the transmission change over.
Winter's here and the cooler weather doesn't agree with my arthritis so we got a little later start than I usually like to. On a good (warm) day I could probably do the change over myself in a half a day. As this is a learning experience for Cade I went into it figuring it would take as long as it takes. In the end it took 3 days (about 5 hours a day).
Day one was spent getting the C3 out. My job was mostly pointing out what parts needed to be taken out. There were a a few I had to break loose for him, but over all he did pretty good. I think Cade is almost starting to feel that the underside of the car is his natural habitat. :LOL:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4589/...d9d51cd6_z.jpg1 by M Patterson, on Flickr
Anyway, by the end of day one the little C3 was out.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4726/...e423f7d2_z.jpg2 by M Patterson, on Flickr
The second day was spent cleaning some parts and getting the 4 speed installed. That was pretty straight forward except for not having the correct alignment tool for the clutch disc and having to modify one of my old ones to work.
The clutch we put in is the original unit I pulled out when I converted it to an automatic. The clutch assembly didn't slip but does show some wear and normally I'd go ahead and throw a new assembly in. I'm having Cade use the original clutch as this is the car he will be learning to drive a stick with and if he doesn't listen and picks up those bad habits that a lot of first time drivers get when driving a stick I'd rather he burn up the old clutch than a new one. If he does good, the clutch should last quite a while yet and leave him more money to put in other areas of the car. We did put in a new throwout and pilot bearing.
We probably would have had the Mustang running that day except for a couple of issues I hadn't planned on. The first was the drive shaft.....I would have sworn that I used the original 4 speed drive shaft when I converted it to an automatic, but apparently I didn't. I commented to Cade was I sure hoped I didn't cut it up to use for the flag pole. Anyway as it turned out I didn't so after digging that out and changing out a couple of U joints that was ready to go in.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4728/...a4db5d7f_z.jpgt1 by M Patterson, on Flickr
The other issue was a bit more involved. Ford ran the clutch cable thru the firewall like everybody else........unfortunately they didn't reinforce the area the where it passes thru. Over time the firewall flexes and cracks and the cable pulls thru the firewall.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4598/...0ed374c8_z.jpgCC 1 by M Patterson, on Flickr
I had reinforced this area once before but apparently didn't use a big enough reinforcement and the firewall continued to crack. It was no big deal when we switched it over to an automatic, but definitely needed some attention.
This time I used a bigger piece of flat stock and added a second piece to connect it to the pinch weld area above the master cylinder.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4739/...d52f60a5_z.jpgCC2 by M Patterson, on Flickr
With that taken care of Cade got to crawl under the dash again to connect the cable to the pedal. A few more odds and ends and the day ended with Cade installing the shift knob and getting the car back on the ground.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4636/...1e4390f0_z.jpgt2 by M Patterson, on Flickr
We took the car out to the arena and Cade found out driving a stick wasn't quite as easy as he thought it was going to be, but he'll do fine with some practice.
On a side note, Cade goes back to school tomorrow and starts Drivers Ed. He's looking forward to that. When I asked him about it I found out that at least in his high school it's all classroom. THERE IS NO ACTUAL DRIVING!!!!!. How does that work????????
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Good for Cade! Nice to see him working towards a goal.
Probably a couple simulator trainers in the corner.
The college I was attending has one. Just made my mouth water thinking of the simulated mayhem one could inflict.
Before we deployed to Afghanistan, we got to play in a full sized simulator trainer for the hummvs and mrps. I totally wasted a dozen civilians when one of them threw a rock. I thought it was a grenade, and I lit them up with the .50 cal.
C.O. wasn't happy.
Oh well, the second time through things went better!
Never under estimate the application for V.R.
Good for him; most kids now days have no idea how to drive a stick.
I'm willing to bet that most instructors don't know how to drive a stick!
When my step daughters went through drivers ed about 8 years ago, all of the driving instruction and testing was done driving around cones in a parking lot.
Very nice Mike! I'm sure that was a great 3 days for you.
On the driver's ed subject..... I have a funny story on that. I know 2 guys that train semi drivers for TMC here in Des Moines. They told me there are instructors teaching people to drive manual semis but they never drove them before. It's all done on a computer and then it's the next instructor's job to put them in a truck and teach them. IMO you might as well just start in the truck to begin with. Most people don't need the extra confusion. They are potential truck drivers and will be confused no matter what. :LOL: (No offense to truck drivers)
I'm really enjoying following along on this one.
Ditto another great family thread!
Cade got off to a rocky start on the second semester so the car was on hold for a couple of weeks. Fortunately his grades are headed in the right direction again so we got some time on the car today.
Work wise it was pretty light stuff basically an oil change.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4678/...76385d14_z.jpgCF1 by M Patterson, on Flickr
Which was followed up with another bath for the car.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4677/...f63cdcc9_z.jpgCF2 by M Patterson, on Flickr
Then it was out to the arena again so Cade could practice with the clutch until the car was dirty again.:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:
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Good job on helping him keep his grades up and that's a nice looking Mustang! He may be one of the few kids in his age group that will be able to drive a manual trans. Is that a Monza in the background?
I personally don't understand the difficulty with his grades. No offense, please! I've been watching Cade since he was big enough to turn a wrench, and grandpa is doing a stellar job.
That being said: i just completed an associates degree and standards and study loads ain't what they used to be. Or maybe it's just the college I attended. I dunno, too many distractions for the lad maybe.
Said by a guy who's obviously not a parent, and seems to have forgotten what it was like to be 15, when all of the girls around are starting to look different and group up, looking at all of the guys and giggling.:rolleyes::LOL::LOL: A kid needs to know how he "fits" into society, and why learning is a key to that.
Good on ya' Mike, for finding the hook that keeps Cade focused on a goal, and one that will help him with those girl issues next year, too! You're a Grandpa example for all of us!
Good eye on the Monza Seth. I'm storing it for a friend of mine who's currently working as a contractor in Afghanistan. It's an original V8 car, that somewhere along the line the 262 got changed out for a 283 and a 10 bolt rear end was added. Rumor has it was street raced on a regular basis locally for a few years. My buddy has scrounged the Mirage fiberglass body panels for it along with a few other parts (including a 400 SB) but who knows how long it will be before he actually gets to it.
As far as Cade and school work, I can't say a lot, basically I was the same kind of student he is. Nobody could get it thru to me how important it really was......I ended up figuring it out not long after I graduated that I really should have paid more attention in class. We're hoping Cade won't have to find out the hard way too but who knows.
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Starting at age 8 through 15 in Karts, then moving into modifieds on a dirt track, I learned at a very early age that Dad's willingness to open up the checkbook, supply technical expertise and transportation to the races was very dependent on grades in school!!!!:LOL::LOL::LOL:
It looks good on you Mike, I'll bet you dollars to donuts Cade will thank you for it someday!!!!!
You're right on both accounts, thanks for helping me understand.
Ah to be 15 again, where our only mechanical limitations are experience, finances and maybe not full muscular strength yet. I miss those days of being able to work under a car for hours and be able to go out afterwards feeling fine(ie. not the aches and pains that only the hot tub can relieve! It's an exciting age with only possibilities ahead! Great kid by the way, I know your proud of him, as we all are watching this thread!
Good eye on the Monza Seth. I'm storing it for a friend of mine who's currently working as a contractor in Afghanistan. It's an original V8 car, that somewhere along the line the 262 got changed out for a 283 and a 10 bolt rear end was added. Rumor has it was street raced on a regular basis locally for a few years. My buddy has scrounged the Mirage fiberglass body panels for it along with a few other parts (including a 400 SB) but who knows how long it will be before he actually gets to it.
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I was just looking at one wondering if it was too ugly to own or ugly enough where I had to have it. It's also a V8 four speed car, that thing could fly with a small build.
https://siouxfalls.craigslist.org/ct...486141103.html
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As far as Cade and school work, I can't say a lot, basically I was the same kind of student he is. Nobody could get it thru to me how important it really was......I ended up figuring it out not long after I graduated that I really should have paid more attention in class. We're hoping Cade won't have to find out the hard way too but who knows.
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Do whatever it takes to keep em motivated to keep trying. We couldn't convince our oldest to finish school and he's in a mess right now to put it lightly. Our middle one has gone further but he's a senior this year and he has to go to summer school to pass but the problem is his give a shi# level is a -10 so we'll see, but it doesn't look promising. What's so frustrating is their both way smarter than me and could be anything they want, but they can't seem to pull their head out of their ass. Our youngest boys outlook seems much better so that's a very good thing. Sorry for the hijack , I need to vent sometimes.
I was pretty much responsible for my friend ending up with the Monza. Another friend of mine who ran a wrecking yard had it and was debating whether to crush it or not. Although I'm not a big fan of them it was too neat to see it squished so I told him to hold on to it for a while and I see if I could find a buyer. I ended up taking my friend out to see it.....he remembered the car (and previous owner) from its street racing days and didn't take long to for a deal to be struck.
Like I said, personally I'm not a big fan of the Monzas. I had a customer years ago with a factory V8 4 speed one. The car came out of California so it had all the additional smog crap and factory AC.....talk about 20 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag. You always seem to remember the jobs/cars that fought you every step of the way so I remember a lot about that little Monza :rolleyes: :LOL: I think my "favorites" were the heater core and the clutch. The smogged up 267 with a cast iron Saginaw and 2.something gears was not really the hot set up either.
That being said at least working on that particular car exposed me to the (as far as I know) only SB 4 speed bellhousing with a cable clutch that Chevrolet produced......something I remembered and came in really handy when it came time to stuff the 283 and T5 in my Ram 50.
The biggest issue I have with any of the hatch back cars (Monza, Mustang II and Vega fast backs, and hatch back Pintos) was the body twist when you stuffed a good V8 and sticky tires on them. Sub frame connectors and engine compartment bracing are almost mandatory at a minimum and a cage is better. As the cars are unibody any rust in the floor/structural areas would be a show stopper for me.
Besides rust if I was looking at a factory V8 car I would defiantly also check to door and hatch fitment to try to get an idea on how bad the body has been abused........and yes the Monza that's sitting out in the yard has a fair amount in spite of the sub frame connectors and ladder bars.
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".......Sorry for the hijack , I need to vent sometimes........"
Seth, never a problem, hell like a lot of people here I sometimes hijack my own threads ......as an example see my Monza post above. :LOL::LOL:
As far as kids (and grandkids) and school it can be hard. Sometimes just being able to talk about it with someone helps. Watching a kids eyes glaze over when you talk to them about it and knowing you aren't getting thru to them is probably the most frustrating thing you can go thru.
In a lot of cases I think the kids figure that they can always go back and just get a GED at some point and it will be the same thing.......they just don't realize IT IS NOT. Besides just finding the time, money and ambition to get the GED especially if you are holding a full time job and maybe just starting to raise a family. While a GED helps a bit when you go to look for a job it never counts as much as a diploma. I can remember times off and on when it took a waiver to enlist in the military if you had a GED instead of a diploma....and a waiver wasn't always granted
I spend a lot of time listening to an exasperated Daughter vent about Cade and I wish I had the magic formula to help her.......and if anyone should have it, it would be me as like I said I was the same kind of student Cade is. All I can do listen and tell her some of the "motivational" things Mom and Dad used on me (usually involving extra home work time and not being able to do other things I liked). Mom and Dad did everything they could and I did graduate (barely). I also spent a lot of time after high school wishing a I had paid more attention in class when I had the opportunity. On a side note after some of our talks I find an overwhelming need to call mom and apologize for being such a rotten student.....especially when I could have done better.
About all I can do is tell you to hang in there, remind them you are doing this BECAUSE you do love them and keep plugging away. As a senior remind him he's ONE step away from the finish line.....way to close to throw it away.
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One more highjack ! If one was to hot rod a Monza, I like this look!
http://www.v8monza.com/images/custom/RedMonza.gif
Thanks Mike!
Another car Sunday with Cade :D
Work on the Car was pretty minimal, we pulled the rear brake drums and checked the shoes and wheel cylinders. Typical Ford, one of the drums was stuck to the axle so I got to show Cade how to gently heat the drum to release it from the axle and back off the adjusters to get it from catching on the shoes. The shoes are getting a bit thin and one cylinder is just starting to seep, so a rear brake job will be done in the near future. For now it was just put back together so he could practice driving today.
The other little job we needed to do was put a battery hold down in. That required a bit of fabrication, just a couple of small L shaped brackets with a hole for the hold down stud to go thru. It was super simple....... just about 5 minutes to do. I knocked out the first one then handed Cade the piece of flat stock and the bracket I had just finished and told him to make one just like it. I got the big old deer in the headlights look :eek: :LOL: .
He realized I was serious and in spite of being a bit nervous he got started on it. He did good, I gave him a couple of minor pointers and pretty soon he had the second bracket done.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4653/...50a6847f_z.jpgCF3 by M Patterson, on Flickr
I know it's a pretty small thing, but it's the first time I really turned him loose to fabricate something and I was pretty proud of him.
I realized when he was drilling the hole just how fast they grow up. When he was setting up the bit I had to take this picture.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4625/...a476f69e_z.jpgCF by M Patterson, on Flickr
It reminded he of the first time he "helped" me drill some holes (for the old tot rod).
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4765/...46c2fc2a_z.jpgCF4 by M Patterson, on Flickr
I swear it does not seems like it's been that long since he had to stand on a milk crate to see anything.
Of course I remember taking this picture too and thinking it's going to be a long time till we need to worry about him driving.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4364/...ded94997_z.jpgCade 3 by M Patterson, on Flickr
Now it just seems like the time went by too fast. I turned him loose solo this afternoon (he seemed to do a bit better without Grandpa sitting beside him with my hand hovering above the emergency brake handle :D )....... he'd probably still be out there going in circles if I hadn't eventually told him it was time to put the car away and clean up for supper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-3o...ature=youtu.be
Time goes by too quickly.
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Time goes by too quickly.
Yep, shockingly fast.
Looks like he's learning a lot of things that many young people these days will never get a chance to learn. Good on both of you.
So, so true.................in a good way...........
Hopefully he can figure a way out to get his grades up. I can't say much just for the simple fact of they don't teach the kids the same way and it drives me nuts. And I haven't been out of school nearly as long as some of you.
That's awesome he still has the drive to want to help and be aught by you.
Why are you holding out on us? What's up with that Ford COE? :LOL:
I can picture the look on his face when you told him to do the other one, I've :LOL: seen that look as well. I think you did good with not hovering over his shoulder the whole time, I don't learn well that way either.
Not holding out on you Ryan, the COE isn't mine (anymore :3dSMILE: )
That was part of the 51-52 Ford truck fleet I was building at one time. I had the red and white 52 F6 2 ton truck I've posted pictures of a couple of times. That one was done and ran a 402 BB Chevy hooked to the original transmission and rear end.
I also had a 51 F1 Short bed half ton that I put a Volare front suspension under with a 302, C4 and 9". It was mechanically done and I was driving it but it needed body work paint and upholstery.
And then there was the 51 F6 COE you saw. I was turning that into a car hauler. I lowered it a bit and was doing a dove tail bed on it. It was 90% mechanically done with a 440 Mopar and 727 Torqueflight with an Hone overdrive.
And then came the divorce...........I sold all 3. The guy who bought the cab over paid me for pulling the 440 (it ended up in a Road Runner clone). He was going to get the body "right out of there" :rolleyes: Instead he ended up leasing part of the arena to store some of his cars on (all the ones you see on the background) so the truck just sat. It been sold at least 3 times now but never seems to get picked up.......as long as the rents paid I'm ok with it.
Oh and if you'd ever met my X-wife selling the 3 trucks was a very reasonable price to pay to get out of that mess :LOL::LOL:
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"......I can picture the look on his face when you told him to do the other one,........"
Yeah Seth it was pretty much priceless. :LOL:
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:LOL: on the COE Mike. Does the price get cheaper every time it gets sold? Haha
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Naw Ryan, it took a big drop after I sold it and the 440 and Torqueflight were pulled, but has been been pretty stable since then. Big plus on it is I did the jumping thu the hoops to get a good title on it.
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When is the time for sale #4? :LOL: