got the 4160 today.... ended up paying $180 for a brand new one, if you know the way parts stores work then you can get one hell of a deal, i got 4 different stores prices that all had beat competitors price garauntees, started at $240, broght a quote from the cheapest bidder to the highest bidder, they dropped off 5%, the brought that quote to the next highest store, and so forth.... after a few hours of driving around town and dealing with parts stores.... i got my carb for super cheap