OOOOOooooo... pretty! New Parts!!! LOL.. I have my fingers crossed that you've got "the combo" this time! Thanks for the update!
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OOOOOooooo... pretty! New Parts!!! LOL.. I have my fingers crossed that you've got "the combo" this time! Thanks for the update!
Took the adapters to a machine shop to get them "thinned" out a little bit. I measured and I need more of the input shaft into the flywheel pilot bearing and more splines into the clutch disk. I'll gain almost 1/4" by careful metal removal. Then, it's just bolt 'em up and get it off the jackstands! :) Nothing else could go wrong....right? Hmmnnn, we'll see.
Got the adapter plates milled down a total of 3/16" which gives me enough insertion into the flywheel bearing to work. It also gives me just enough spline contact into the new 10" clutch disc to make it work. The splines are completely engaged, whereas before, they were not making complete contact. Next week, I'll start putting everything back together and I'll have to face the clutch actuation issues. But, it will be some progress!
Good Deal! Sounds like great progress!! Thanks for the updates and pix. Can't wait for the road test. 8-)
Had to burr out some clearance for the 4 bolts to fit into the adapter plate. Was successful. Then I tried to mount the plate and the bellhousing adapter to each other and realized the bolts I had carefully bought were not going to fit precisely. The threaded holes in the plate and adapter are crap! Not SAE....maybe metric? Saw another site and they had the same problem and had to drill and tap for another size. Why the hell is this? It's an Offy branded part...can't they be a precision piece? Damn!
With a lot of companies, quality control is almost a thing of the past, and understandably so imo. With all the import crap on the market, the US manufacturer's have been forced to cut corners and speed up production just to be competitive in the price game.... Unfortunately for most buyers, price is a much bigger concern then country of origin or quality! In the last 10 years or so I can't really say I've purchased a lot of parts that came out of the box and installed on the project without some tweaking, detailing, and in many instances replacing some components with a quality piece!!!!
Yea, but I paid $450+ for these two pieces of aluminum. Not cheap by any means. Still think something is wrong with the company that produces this inferior product I've had them milled down to fit my application, so I can't return them. I'm stuck making them work....and I will, but still, I would hope 8 tapped holes could at least be correct!
As Dave S said ...... :confused::mad:
Can these be drilled and tapped for Heli-Coils? Instead of bastardizing with metric fasteners, possibly those inserts would be your best bet plus your bolting will go into steel instead of soft cast aluminum.
I can't count the items that I've purchased these past few years with either metric threads or an odd ball wrenching surface - might be 1/4 20, but a 10mm wrench size
See, I told you, you jinxed it! :LOL::LOL:
But, seriously.. I would go with the Heli-coil type suggestion! And they are usually very strong, a lot stronger than a bolt threaded into aluminum. I like to use a 60% threaded hole when doing heli-coils, versus a 75% hole for a standard threaded bolt hole.
Here 'tis....Tranny is ready to slip back in. The disc and pressure plate are installed. Maybe tomorrow I will install the transmission....might have to cut the grass though. Everything looks good. Clutch linkage will be the next "big thing" to worry about. Was having trouble before so I'm expecting some problems again.
Still have to attach the p/u short bellhousing and the starter motor.
Looks good, hopefully everything will work out correctly this time!
Guess I'm going to have to get my brother over here to help stab this transmission. I'm getting too old to muscle these things in by myself anymore, I guess! :) Have to work next three days, so until then, have a great week!
Yeah it's tough as the parts seem to get heavier as each year go by! LOL!! Parts look great!
Update: Broke an ear off of an adapter plate...need to get it heliarc'd...just another delay. Oh well.....I think I better pull the engine so I can really see what I'm doing. Much easier to join the engine/trans...but lots more work! :(
Well, in the brighter light of day...it still looks bad! :( Actually, all it needs is to be ground out and I'll get by buddy to heliarc it next week. Then, I will dry fit the housing to make sure the dowels fit into the plate like they should. I made the mistake of trying to pull it together with the bolts installed in all the holes. I am going to pull the engine and do this the right way. Should have done it this way in the first place. Lesson learned !:)
Attachment 51819Attachment 51820Attachment 51821Attachment 51822Took the adapter plate to my welder buddy...worked just fine. Filled in 3 cracks around the bolt holes. Going to pull the engine next week and do this the "right" way.
Looking good. As for your clutch operation, you might want to look into a hydraulic setup rather than a mechanical.
Yea...when I look at it with the trans. hooked up to the engine (finally!), I will see if the mechanical linkage is going to work. If not, I will go with the Master/Slave hydraulic system to make this work. I had problems with the mechanical linkage before, so I will look very carefully at this when I get the installation done. I've still got to get the driveshaft shortened some more and modify my trans mount when I get the engine/tranny in place.
Got the tranny hooked up to the engine yesterday. Looks like it's going to work. Went smoothly and I'll have to wait until next week to install it. Then comes the fun with adapting the clutch linkage to work! Later!
That is good news! Congrats on the progress and here's hoping you can get the linkage sorted out easily!
Great thread, thanks for sharing your trials, tribulations and especially the photos!!!:toocool:
Haven't worked with flatheads but I sure have seen some of the challenges that you have run into...not too sure that I handled them as well as you have though...:o
But live and learn, and I'm all in for learning by watching others!
Keep those posts and photos coming!
Update on the install: Did a dry run yesterday with the bellhousing and the adapter plate. The dowel holes in the aluminum adapter were not aligned exactly right. That is why the ears broke when I tried to tighten up the bolts. Dumb me! So, I "wallowed" out the dowel holes just a little with a 3/8'" drill. Then my brother and I carefully stabbed the tranny into the engine. I will install the motor/trans next week with his help. Need to modify the trans support bracket holes to align with the new position of the trans mount. Then, going to have the driveshaft shortened again about 3/4". Then, finally, I can sort out the clutch and driving so I can feel confident in pulling the heads and replacing with the Edelbrocks and the blower install. Thanks for all your support on this site...it is encouraging to know that you guys are with me on this build! :)
No Sir.It's you and your ability to figure out these issues that keeps me following this thread.Some would have haft of the tools thrown about their shop in frustration.(and no that isn't me that I am talking about)
So I give you tons of credit to work this out and I look forward to more posts from you and pictures.Keep them coming.
Thanks 1gary...I appreciate the vote of confidence I can pull this off! :) I will probably have my bro' come over on Tuesday to drop the engine in and then it's up to me to figure out the new rear trans. mount position. Not too hard. Then hook up all the wires, gas lines, and linkage and we're ready to go except for the exhaust and drive shaft and clutch linkage. Always something. I can't wait to get this thing basically running with the T-10 four-speed and clutch working properly. Then I can pull the old heads, install the Edelbrock 75cc heads, and put the blower on and hook it up. As you know, I have the blower pulley and the belt tensioner installed on the motor. Get a belt to fit and crank it up! Final tuning will occur with the blower retard module from MSD and gauges hooked up. Maybe it will happen by my 69th birthday on Jan. 20th! That would be nice!
Attachment 51882Attachment 51880Attachment 51881Attachment 51883Just a couple of pix of the installed trans and the new bellhousing.
Well, it's back in the truck. Working on the motor mount position and the clutch actuator.
Good to hear things are finally working out in the drivetrain!!! Going to put us up some pics when things are all situated????
Attachment 51999Attachment 51998Thanks Dave...here's two pix of the engine back in...more to follow this week as I get the rest of it installed.
However, my wife is an Algebra HS teacher and I think she has more than one day this week off planned for me! Ya' know what I mean? Can't get a break sometimes! :) Happy Thanksgiving to all and have a great meal!
Looks good, progress is always nice!!!! Hope the clutch and other issues aren't too big a hassle for you!
Attachment 52018Attachment 52019Attachment 52020Attachment 52021Wishing everyone a great Thanksgiving! Here's pix of the rear trans mount. Wanted to move the tail end a little over to the passenger side to give my exhaust header just a little more clearance away from the steering box. Had to dimple the exhaust manifold when I originally installed the engine to clear the box, but now, I can just make the mount adjustment. A picture also of my garage I had built 2 years ago for my truck and the Mustang. Makes a great "getaway" when you need that time alone! :) The Mustang is back in the house garage for now....the truck needs to be set that way to get clearance for the engine pull. Next week, back to work on the truck. Tomorrow, at work at 5:00 a.m. for black friday. Cheers!
Really nice looking truck! I like your hideout too, looks like it's set back from the street quite a bit, good to keep prying eyes off all the goodies!!!! And Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours back at ya!!!!
PS--Is this Daveport, Ia????
Hi Dave,
I'm in Florida....40 miles southwest of Orlando, off Hwy 27. The garage is built in the backyard and we have a little "alleyway" behind the house the city uses to pick-up trash and garbage. Makes a neat little road to come in the back side to get to the garage! Turkey and Ham are done...dressing is cooking...rolls are last...heading for the shower right now! :) See ya' later, you'all! Tom
Went under the truck before turkey...doesn't look like the clutch linkage is going to be any big deal....a spacer maybe, but that's it. Anyone know how much the throwout bearing has to deflect the pressure plate fingers for the clutch disc to be 100% disengaged? 1/8" or 1/4 or so? I cut a little window in the bellhousing to set up the rough adjustment but I was just wondering how much travel I will need to get a "good" clutch actuation.