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Thread: 1976 caddy 500 cu in V8 engine misfire at temp and speed. OK idle
          
   
   

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    1976 caddy 500 cu in V8 engine misfire at temp and speed. OK idle

     



    I Have a 1951 Ford COE on a 76 GM 1 tom dually with a 76 caddy 500 cu in big block. It has a HEI distributor, external mech fuel pump and filter. No eng problems until a few weeks ago whern it started to occasionally misfire at speed. Problem seems to worsen has the engine reaches temp. Idles OK cold and warm. Have checked timing ok at 4 BTDC steady and steady advance with increase of RPM. Engine vac ~17" and steady. Have replaced plugs, points, coil, cap, rotor, fuel filter and pump. Have installed voltmeter on hei coil voltage lead to check for steady supply during next road test. Getting very fustrated on the cause. Any suggestions welcome! Thanks, Johnny52

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    if you have HEI you don't have points? Could be ignition module. Have you checked vac. while driving it does sound like vac. leak
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    "....I Have a 1951 Ford COE on a 76 GM 1 tom dually with a 76 caddy 500 cu in big block....."

    Neat would love to see pictures. I had a 51 F6 COE at one point and also a liking for the 500 CI Caddys.....have one in my 83 El Camino.

    Kind of hard to diagnose long distance. A couple of quick checks that might or might not help.


    ".....external mech fuel pump and filter....." Not sure I've ever seen an external mechanical fuel pump. External pumps are usually electric and engine mounted pumps are usually mechanical.

    If you are running a factory style engine mounted mechanical pump you might want to check and see if it's using the internal fuel filter. Looking at the bottom of the pump you may find a big "nut" the output line connects to. Remove the line and fitting and you may find a long paper filter (like the ones used in some Quadrajets). Yeah I personally found out about that one the hard way.

    Cadillac HEI distributors also occasionally would have intermittent spark issues due to the wires that connect to the module breaking inside the wire insulation (caused by the wires being flexed back and forth as the breaker plate moves due to the vacuum advance). A quick check is to disconnect and plug the vacuum line to the distributor then due a test drive) If it clears the problem chances are that is your problem.

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    The resistance in electrical conductors increases with temperature. It could be something as simple as a plug wire connection at either the distributor or where the wire is crimped to the plug terminal under your plug boot. I would look for something simple first.
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    standard mechanical fuel pump (new); replaced ignition pack (called em points - sorry), vacuum steady around 17". Last test showed steady coil voltage supply also. Last test seems to be getting worse with noticeable fluctuations (40-60) in oil pressure with slight rpm change, more than normal. wouldn't run steady at ~ 1000rpm and had a carb backfire as well. Think it might be time to think about removing cab and pulling engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny52 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny52 View Post
    standard mechanical fuel pump (new); replaced ignition pack (called em points - sorry), vacuum steady around 17". Last test showed steady coil voltage supply also. Last test seems to be getting worse with noticeable fluctuations (40-60) in oil pressure with slight rpm change, more than normal. wouldn't run steady at ~ 1000rpm and had a carb backfire as well. Think it might be time to think about removing cab and pulling engine.

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    Wow neat looking 51's.

    Again it's hard to tell long distance. Did you try pulling and plugging the vacuum advance line at the distributor and seeing if that cured the fluctuation goes away?

    Have you checked any vacuum nines and caps that might be on the carburetor to make sure you don;t have a vacuum leak.


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    Check the timing chain for wear. Use a timing light as you slowly increase rpm and see if the timing walks/moves around at speedy rpm stops along the way as you increase slowly.
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    still misbehavin'

     



    vacuum and timing look OK last check. Waiting on more knowledgeable friend to stop over and help troubleshoot. Hope I don't have to remove cab to pull engine...

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    new holley carb on order. will recheck timing and vacuum again before swap out late next week. If new carb doesn't do the trick, it is pull cab snd engine in fall. (HOPE NOT!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny52 View Post
    new holley carb on order. will recheck timing and vacuum again before swap out late next week. If new carb doesn't do the trick, it is pull cab snd engine in fall. (HOPE NOT!)
    Just curious, why not get a kit for the Holley carb you've got and rebuild it? Gotta be cheaper than a new one!
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    My experience with Holley carbs is that anytime there's a backfire it probably took out the power valve!
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    Beautiful trucks! I'm just going to mention that I had a keep I worked on with a similar problem. It can find them after shut off it would crank and not start. It turned out to be the ignition cables! And they looked very recent! You might want to text for resistance mine would work for a after moving them around but still DOA! Just throwing this out there because I'm following this thread. Good luck Amigo!

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    Just experienced a similar condition, it was a venturi (ported) vacuum cap deteriorated. Changed the rubber cap and all is good. Sometimes it is the simple that baffles.

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