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    Either choice and you'll be hard pressed to buy stock in goodyear. The diesel choice i like since your putting it head to head with a Hemi. either one would be cool, one of the buds is making a decision much like your own right now between a Cat or Detriot or small block hemi. I told him the same thing most said already. built it however is going to make you smile driving it. if you have that much experience with diesels, i kinda think from the way you talk about em, you kinda already made your mind up? especially since your selling point on the Hemi was that you'd thought that you'd supercharge it, i doubt id even need to say what the options are on a diesel if your already building em for the track....
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    "...... basically whack off the bottom pieces and the starter will bolt to the 4 speed bell housing. Right? Any good sources for the bell housing? . ......"

    That's pretty much it. As far as bellhousings, if you're junk yard hunting for an a833, try to snag the bellhousing. I picked up my last one from a friend who runs a tranny shop, and E Bays always a good source. From my experience the absolute best bet is if you know some MOPAR guys....they (we) tend to be horders and usually have a stash of parts or know someone who does.
    I've NEVER seen a car come from the factory that couldn't be improved.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerry clayton View Post
    I just weighed bbc iron head at 63 lbs and 392 head at 69 lbs---I'm pretty sure hemi 392 block is lighter than the bbc altho I can't find my notes on block weights--crankshafts pretty much with 2 or 3 lbs and if your talking 454 bbc the dampner/flywheel are much heavier---rods will be within a few ozs, hemi pistons are a little beefy because of the top for the hemi head but the bbc is heavier by a few grams as it has a big dome also. You can put aluminum manifolds on any of them , dist and oil pumps will pretty much be a trade off and the hemi rocker shaft assy will be heavier than the individual stamped rockers ----
    I weighed my 354 and with out alternator, a/c comp, or ps pump, my scale said it was 745lbs. A 24v cummins I just built with ps pump/vac pump, turbo and exhaust manifold was 1080. I'm sure a lot of the weight on the hemi has to do with all the cast on the front of it. The water pump and cross over have got to be about 60lbs by them selves. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by OSK View Post
    Either choice and you'll be hard pressed to buy stock in goodyear. The diesel choice i like since your putting it head to head with a Hemi. either one would be cool, one of the buds is making a decision much like your own right now between a Cat or Detriot or small block hemi. I told him the same thing most said already. built it however is going to make you smile driving it. if you have that much experience with diesels, i kinda think from the way you talk about em, you kinda already made your mind up? especially since your selling point on the Hemi was that you'd thought that you'd supercharge it, i doubt id even need to say what the options are on a diesel if your already building em for the track....
    No, I haven't made my mind up yet. Once I put pen to paper and do some more research and try to locate some parts to do the hemi swap, we'll see what happens.
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    The Intake manifold on the HEMI is a good place to shave weight too. The stock 4 BBL intake you have weighs in between 60 and 70 pounds and probably another 10 pounds on the cast iron WCFB.
    I've NEVER seen a car come from the factory that couldn't be improved.....

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    And you can use an Chevy bb alum waterpump-----


    Or sell me the hemi and you can keep the extra heavy stuff for the scrap guy!!!!!!!

    You guys stay up all night??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerry clayton View Post
    And you can use an Chevy bb alum waterpump-----


    Or sell me the hemi and you can keep the extra heavy stuff for the scrap guy!!!!!!!

    You guys stay up all night??
    LOL No, I just got back late last night from delivering a NV5600 to a guy. Speaking of heavy, those dang things are heavy! LOL
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    “....You guys stay up all night??....”

    Naw, but I only sleep about 6 hours a night anymore. In the summer time It’s not unusual to be in the shop at 4 or 4:30.....winter time I sit in the recliner and play on the computer till it warms up a little.
    I've NEVER seen a car come from the factory that couldn't be improved.....

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    Any leads for an A833 OD trans? I keep finding non od ones, but no od ones. Any help would be great, including bell housing.
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    The hemi may end up sitting on the stand for a while. The parts list to get it to come together is still up there. We'll see what happens.
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    1968 Corvette Coupe 5.9 Cummins Drag Car 11.43@130mph No stall leaving the line with 1250 rpm's and poor 2.2 60'
    1972 Chevy K30 Longhorn P-pumped 24v Compound Turbos 47RH Just another money pit
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    Well I made a choice. I'm going with the Hemi for sure. I also made a choice on a trans. I finally found a 46RH core. I really liked the idea of a 4 speed manual, but the cost for trans, shifter, and clutch was going to eat up some big fundage. So here we go.



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    1968 Corvette Coupe 5.9 Cummins Drag Car 11.43@130mph No stall leaving the line with 1250 rpm's and poor 2.2 60'
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    Iím jealous, Iím still hunting for one

    Iím currently just using a bare case with valve body for mockup on my 37 .

    You are aware that the front half of the trans is basically just a 727 and all you will need is just a 3 speed shifter? The OD and lockup convertor (if you have one) is electrically controlled. You can use toggle switches if you want or set it up to be fully automatic.

    If you havenít already seen it you might be interested in this link.

    Dodge 727 Transmission Swap to 518 Transmission from PATC, 46RE 47RE 48RE
    I've NEVER seen a car come from the factory that couldn't be improved.....

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    Yep Mike, I use the same version of this trans in my corvette and in dodge auto trucks. I was talking about the cost of the manual trans shifter, not one for the auto. I'm hoping this trans bolt pattern is close to the early hemi engine plate. I'll see in the morning.
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    If it's from behind a smallblock it's close (if it's from a V10 or diesel probably not...although if it's from the diesel it has all the good stuff inside and it's just transfering all the internals into a SB case). You will stiil need a spacer and flex plate to make it to the HEMI due to the distance that the HEMI crank hangs out from the block.
    I've NEVER seen a car come from the factory that couldn't be improved.....

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    Today I got the original torque converter off the 354 and bolted the 354's engine plate to my 46RH. It doesn't look real close to me. Only a few bolt holes will work. I think I'm better off getting an adapter so all the bell housing bolts go in to the back of the engine. What are your thoughts on it?





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    1940 Ford Deluxe Tudor 354 Hemi 46RH Electric Blue w/multi-color flames, Ford 9" Residing in multiple pieces
    1968 Corvette Coupe 5.9 Cummins Drag Car 11.43@130mph No stall leaving the line with 1250 rpm's and poor 2.2 60'
    1972 Chevy K30 Longhorn P-pumped 24v Compound Turbos 47RH Just another money pit
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