Latham supercharger

I have long been of the opinion that I should own one of the Latham axial-flow superchargers.

I have to admit that I have never seen one, but I've always been fascinated by the concept. To me they just seemed to be more civilized than the big Rootes-type huffers.

Also, they looked to me like a machinist's nightmare.

I'm not looking to buy one, but does anybody know whether any of them are still around?

I think I'll go upstairs and dig through the big pile of crap I call "my Files". Maybe I can find a picture of one.


Jim

One unusual design is Latham's "Axial Flow" supercharger that resembles a fan compressor from a jet engine. A cylindrical rotor with dozens of little blades spins inside a bladed housing to compress the incoming air in stages. Like a centrifugal supercharger, it runs at high speed (470 percent overdrive) and is not a positive displacement pump but more of a high volume fan with an operating speed around 20,000 rpm! One of it's claimed advantages was a much lower outlet air temperature than a Roots type blower. The Latham supercharger was produced briefly from about 1955 to 1965, but never gained widespread acceptance

Jim, we had some discussion on these way back, probably 8 or so years ago. I went searching here and the thread(s) are gone. The three that did come up were not very descriptive.

If you do a Google/Bing search there's lots of info online, including this outfit that is doing a more modern version: http://www.axialflow.com/history.htm He has a brief Latham history blurb.

During the discussion here back when, I got interested in doing a search for the original company. Ended up in a brief email exchange with the son of the founder. He appreciated hearing that there was still some interest in his father's work. He said he didn't have anymore units "just lying around", nor did he have the tooling. The family had sold the tooling to some fellow who thought he was going to continue/revive production, but never did. He no longer had contact for that guy. Interesting, historic hardware.

Thanks, Glenn and Uncle Bob. That's the critter I was thinking about.

I never considered using a blower (for a whole slew of reasons) on any engine I owned, but while in the navy I worked on GM 671 engines so I am (was?) reasonably proficient at maintaining them. They are fairly uncomplicated old workhorses.

I appreciate the fast responses.


Jim

I always flash back to the kit I built as a kid... probably late '50s, early '60s.

Ill be darned, Jay!

Look at that.

There is a little private airport maybe four miles from our house. A guy keeps a late version of a Kaiser or Frazer in a hangar there. I have seen the car maybe three times and is really "mint". It has an ornamental plaque thing on it that says "supercharged". One place you wouldn't expect to find a supercharger is on a flathead six, but nonetheless .....

I got a quick peek under the hood. It looked to have a Latham.

Can anybody verify That?

Suppose if I got next to the guy he would put me in his will?

Naw. I guess not.


Jim

1954 Kaiser Manhattans came equipped with a McCulloch supercharger, I think later acquired by Paxton. Same design as the ones that showed up on Golden Hawk and later R2 Studebakers.

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Originally Posted by Big Tracks

. One place you wouldn't expect to find a supercharger is on a flathead six,

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My 1940 Graham has a factory supercharger on its flathead six. Graham offered the supercharger on its sixes from 1936 to 1941.

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Originally Posted by Big Tracks

I have long been of the opinion that I should own one of the Latham axial-flow superchargers.

I have to admit that I have never seen one, but I've always been fascinated by the concept. To me they just seemed to be more civilized than the big Rootes-type huffers. jim

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who wants civilized with a blower engine ? eaton and wipple seam to have that market if you want that.. but i am a big hammer guy working on this timid one right now :3dSMILE:

Pat----a PINK towel with a flower?????

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Originally Posted by jerry clayton

Pat----a PINK towel with a flower?????

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Wow!!!! That's a really "civilized" lookin' towell!!!!!!:LOL::LOL::LOL:;)

Maybe Pat's prepping that for Barb?:)

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Originally Posted by jerry clayton

Pat----a PINK towel with a flower?????

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thinking your not IRISH and thats on my table all the time and thats ok if you think its a flower but may not get a nice remark back from some :3dSMILE:for the pink well thats my glass top table so that was handy as i eat out of the hot pan when i warm things up it just me so i do not like dishes to clean after wash engine parts all day at the time shop:HMMM: that blower was 80 pounds after it came out of the box that were it landed . next time i will consult you jerry on the lay out of the photo shoot:HMMM:

It's PURPLE!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D

Don

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Originally Posted by RestoRod

My 1940 Graham has a factory supercharger on its flathead six. Graham offered the supercharger on its sixes from 1936 to 1941.

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I sure can't argue with that! I didn't know what type engine the Grahams had. I know that some of the Cords of that era were also supercharged and they were flatheads, but I don't think they were sixes.

A college kid in my hometown had one of the supercharged Cord models. I really envied him. My own car at the time was not quite that exotic. It was a brown '39 Dodge four door with two busted tail lights.

Bob, you are right. The Kaiser would have a McCulloch.

Pat, I'm not one to give you flak about your towel! That's a good looking setup and obviously clean enough to bring in the house, and you presented it well. About thirty years ago I got in the dog house big time when I stunk up the house BAD with Gunk. My excuse was that it was freezing in the garage.

Wife wasn't impressed.

I haven't done that again.


Jim

The Graham used a spec, flathead six manufactured by Continental. It used the older centrifugal style supercharger, again I think from McCulloch. Because of their shape they're sometimes called "pie tin" superchargers. Here's a pic on a Graham.

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Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

The Graham used a spec, flathead six manufactured by Continental. It used the older centrifugal style supercharger, again I think from McCulloch. Because of their shape they're sometimes called "pie tin" superchargers. Here's a pic on a Graham.

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Oh, yeah, Bob!

The famous Continental "Red Seal" engine. They have powered just about everything on wheels (stationary too, for that matter) for many years. I knew all the Kaisers and Frazers had them, and not very long ago somebody had an old Checker Cab for sale, powered by ..... Continental. When I was a skinny, big-footed teenager I used to go to West Texas every summer to work harvesting wheat and oats. The man I worked for used McCormick Deering combines, powered by (you guessed it) the mighty Continental Red Seal. They were everywhere, in all kinds of different applications.

I wish I had one. I don't need one at all, but I wish I had one anyway.

Thanks for the picture,


Jim

And I knew it was a shamrock Pat - I mean really, who'd call a shamrock a flower anyway??

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Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter

It used the older centrifugal style supercharger, again I think from McCulloch. Because of their shape they're sometimes called "pie tin" superchargers. Here's a pic on a Graham.

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Actually, Bob, the Graham supercharger was designed in house by F.F. Kishline, the company's assistant chief engineer. It was an original design, but was reportedly based on the Duesenberg unit.

Thanks for the clarification. Probably was a lot of idea "borrowing" goin' on. Here's a period Mc Culloch that looks pretty similar though the drive input is very different and the outlet to the intake manifold looks different.

Cool! Nice to see some old Horse Power setups!

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Originally Posted by RestoRod

Actually, Bob, the Graham supercharger was designed in house by F.F. Kishline, the company's assistant chief engineer. It was an original design, but was reportedly based on the Duesenberg unit.

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Hey, look what I just found..............

Yeah, mine has that label as well.:)
More info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham-Paige

I have a Latham and the drive(sold the carbs) that I am thinking about putting on the 300 HP Northstar Caddy motor in my Track-T. Have been thinking about this for a while and I have a Fast computor to run it, so I was going to make a couple of sidedraft Weber adaptors to mount them, open up the inlet to the blower, to whats feasable, install fake fuel lines and use the webers only as throttle bodies. My neighbor says the Latham is too valuble for this non-vintage project, I haven't decided, but it sure would be cool. Most peeps don't even know what the Northstar is, topping it with the Latham would be an even bigger conversation piece! Since the Northstar is only 279" and the cam separation angle is about 117degrees, a blower would be a natural. If the Latham is too valuble, I'll just stick a baby whipple on it from somthing factory. I have a complete machineshop, so any manifold will be about the same degree of grief to construct. The Fast computor will run anything. The other alternative is converting some type of stack injection for it, that would be cool too. Any ideas? TIMINATOR (newbie to the board)

Pat keep the pink towell. Who cares what color it is. I think it is neat and
clean. Mine would have greese all over it....Shows your neatness, and you
do build good engines, and they are clean too..

I'm new here and happened across this site by doing a Google for Latham Superchargers. Anyways, site looks very neat and just thought I'd add a note about this subject. I have one of these superchargers. I bought it from Richard Paul a few years ago (he's the guy that bought the original design and started building these units with modern CNC tooling). The one I have is a dual inlet design that uses Weber carbs. It was originally packaged and marketed as an under hood kit for the "New for '82" Camaro. It was used on his show car to promote the application. They are a very neat item that would work MUCH better with EFI. I had it installed on a Monte SS that I have and it worked pretty darned good. Funny thing...people like stock Monte SSs' now. Anyways, the unit I have will be used on a mock up engine for my shop. It's just too darned cool and people love to look at it. I'll send some pics to whoever wants to see the full set-up.

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Originally Posted by Big Tracks

I have long been of the opinion that I should own one of the Latham axial-flow superchargers.

I have to admit that I have never seen one, but I've always been fascinated by the concept. To me they just seemed to be more civilized than the big Rootes-type huffers.

Also, they looked to me like a machinist's nightmare.

I'm not looking to buy one, but does anybody know whether any of them are still around?

I think I'll go upstairs and dig through the big pile of crap I call "my Files". Maybe I can find a picture of one.


Jim

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