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I sure can't think of another form of racing that has more champions from other types of racing.... USAC champions, ex-formula 1 race winners, cart racing champions, W0W champions, IRL winners and champions...

Michael Waltrip would hardly be considered the cream of the crop among NASCAR'S best.... of course, we probably don't want to talk about how Ron Capps does when he shows up at Eldora for Smoke's late model shoot out, do we.....????? Granted, he did a bit better this year, but hardly a standout.....

[QUOTE=Dave Severson;335739]I sure can't think of another form of racing that has more champions from other types of racing.... USAC champions, ex-formula 1 race winners, cart racing champions, W0W champions, IRL winners and champions...

Michael Waltrip would hardly be considered the cream of the crop among NASCAR'S best.... ]


Championships have nothing to do with driving skills. Nascar, Indy, Top fuel, F1, and Cart races are won from the pits and top dollar parts and technology, The car has to be set up to win, the driver is maybe 15% of winning a cup race. Michael Waltrip may not be the best but he has won some big races including Daytona, because he had the best car.

Your best drivers are people seldom heard of, racing races for glory only not millions of dollars. Please watch this whole clip, keep an open mind as to the skill and difficulty factor involved. This particular race is on a coarse of dirt and pavement, one lap has 254 turns, thats lefts and rights. No way to memorize the track. This guy is solo, when they run a full 4 stage race it 1200 miles long with navigator, its in all weather conditions, temps from 125 desert to zero, in snow, ice, asphault, dirt, jumps, bumps, trees, rain, mud, people standing on the track. The 1st minute is boring credits but after that hold on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHnf...eature=related

This one shows the arial parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1j0N...eature=related

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Fine, they're all a bunch of dirt bags that should stick to running demo derbies....


Geez... Off road and racing in snow dirt ice don't mean squat. By the way, Robbie Gordon has done some of that I believe.....

If NASCAR wasn't cream of the crop and best of the best it wouldn't pay the most or have the biggest number of fans.....

The best guys seldom heard of???? Why??? I suppose they do it for the love of the sport or some such BS....???? It's done to win in the highest form of competition you can get involved in.....

The best attract the most money..... Whether you're talking motorsports or anything else....

Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Fine, they're all a bunch of dirt bags that should stick to running demo derbies....


Geez... Off road and racing in snow dirt ice don't mean squat. By the way, Robbie Gordon has done some of that I believe.....

If NASCAR wasn't cream of the crop and best of the best it wouldn't pay the most or have the biggest number of fans.....

The best guys seldom heard of???? Why??? I suppose they do it for the love of the sport or some such BS....???? It's done to win in the highest form of competition you can get involved in.....

The best attract the most money..... Whether you're talking motorsports or anything else....

Damn Dave bad day at the office, Dirt bags, come on now. I always considered you a person of reason, a think it through from the evidence given kinda guy. You cant possibly think these guys are derby grade dirt bags. I guess I was wrong. Nascar is a over done media frenzy is why its the biggest payout, Ya some people still do stuff because they like it, and not for the money. I am guilty as charged there.

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Yup, just all hype......no talent in NASCAR


at that level of competition, it's all about the money.... There's a ton of new NASCAR fans, granted.... Some of us have been with it for many years and don't go in for the hoopla..... When Indy went to rear engines, NASCAR was the only place left that you didn't have to have 2 years education in a foreign language to be able to talk to the drivers....

Please don't confuse those of us who have followed NASCAR for 40 or more years with the bunch that came along after the "Days of Thunder" movie and Dale Sr. getting killed.... There is more genuine talent in NASCAR then any other form of motorsports.....

Originally Posted by dave severson

yup, just all hype......no talent in nascar


at that level of competition, it's all about the money.... There's a ton of new nascar fans, granted.... Some of us have been with it for many years and don't go in for the hoopla..... When indy went to rear engines, nascar was the only place left that you didn't have to have 2 years education in a foreign language to be able to talk to the drivers....

Please don't confuse those of us who have followed nascar for 40 or more years with the bunch that came along after the "days of thunder" movie and dale sr. Getting killed.... There is more genuine talent in nascar then any other form of motorsports.....

ok........

Now I see where you are coming from Dave. We have had a comunication barrier, I know Nascar has very talented drivers. Almost all of them have extensive backgrounds in other forms of motorsports that showed thier true talents. I was trying to say that they really do not get the chance to show their true skills in a cup car, what they are actually capable of doing. The car wins the race now days not the driver. All thier skills are not needed in Nascar.

There are a ton of racers that could step into Nascar with a good team and do some damage, heck I could do it if I had the chance. And there are drivers that actually have to drive thier cars to win a race. in conditions that you would not even want to stand in, taking turns that they dont know whats on the other end of at break neck speed. And they are far more then just dirt bags they have true skills and actually use them, like the old timers in nascar once did.

And face it they all went to Nascar because that is where the biggest payout is, thats understandable but not important to everyone. And along with that comes the hoopla you mentioned, being all the media hype and endoresment advertising that makes it more of a sideshow then a race, to me anyway..

And along with the hoopla comes the million dollar cars that if everything down to a single pound of air pressure in a tire is not right the race can be lost from there. And every aspect of the cars set up and running performance and pit strategy has to be dead on on race day to win in Nascar, its not the driver any more like it was back in the days of glory version, not the days of thunder money version.

Well, not exactly so with the new car.... As of now it's still an ill handling POS that takes a lot of driving to keep it out of the wall.... I like the new car, it sure is a bunch safer but I also like the fact that it takes a lot of driving to be competitive. NASCAR has this car templated to death, no more creative engineering on the sheetmetal to dial in the aerodynamics. The new car has also made "the team" more important, everything has to be right at the start of the race, then during the course of the race communication between driver and crew is critical to keep up with the track.... add to this the strategy involved in running a 500 mile race and sooooo many teams having all the good equipment as opposed to years ago when only about 10 cars were capable of winning a race, everybody involved had better "bring their A game" come race day.....

dang it boy, i thought nascar was just a big drunken party