For what it's worth, Don, I have had nothing but good experiences with all of Sanderson's products, I use them on most everything I build. As Bob mentioned, I buy mine from a friend who is a Sanderson dealer. Sometimes eliminating the middle man is not the best way to go!!!! I have found Sanderson's to be really top shelf quality. Yeah, they're spendy, but ya get what ya pay for!! I would never argue with someone who charges less for his product, he obviously knows what it's worth !!!!