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    New guy with hot 350

     



    Thanks for having me guys.
    I have a 1955 Ford F100 with a ,yes, 350 in it with a 700r4 trans. I have always had temp problems. Either with the gauge reading stupid or getting a little hot and pushing some water out. Nothing too bad untill I done a parade yesterday. I changed sending units last week and the new one isn't calibrated to my Autometer gauge but on a quick trip to get to temp I could see it was off. Thermostat opened at 210 on a 165 thermostat. So I didn't get excited untill the gauge got to 250. After the parade I stopped to check and it was puking pretty good. I have a 14" electric fan and Aluminum radiator. Bone stock 350.
    Any help??????????
    Thanks

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    IMHO, dump the electric fan and put a stock clutch fan and and a proper shroud.
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    I respect Ken's opinion, and clutch fans usually work fine, given the appropriate clutch and full fan shroud. However most cars for the last 10-15 years or more have had electric fans, and they work fine if set up correctly. I have an electric fan (puller) with a full shroud on a 435 HP small block Chevy w/ 700R4 in my '34 coupe. It runs steady at whatever temperature the thermostat calls for. Before you switch - Is your electric fan a pusher or a puller? Does it have a shroud? Photo? How are you cooling the 700R4? Tank in the radiator?
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    I can't argue that Henry, but he does have a limited area for air intake on his 55 and it appears that one fan isn't getting the job done. I probably have less intake area on my bone stock 76 Vette and the only time it's overheated is when it threw the alt. belt.
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    Puking is more accurate than a temp reading.

    Inefficiency at low speeds..

    Not enough air flow. (Period)

    Let's see photos.

    Do you have a Shroud? If the fan is directly on the rad, then you are isolating the air flow at low speed, effectively reducing the cross-sectional area of the radiator.
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    a 14 fan isn't near big enough for a radiator--

    I would suggest getting a fan off a Tauras or Lincoln-plus high amp relays and wire so power comes directly from feed at alternator-that way there isn't any surging in the other circuits as the fan comes on.

    Another but more $$$$$$would be one from earlier Vipers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drod View Post
    Thanks for having me guys. Thermostat opened at 210 on a 165 thermostat. So I didn't get excited untill the gauge got to 250. Any help??????????
    Thanks
    How do you know the thermostat opened at 210? And if the thermostat WAS CLOSED until 210, and it's a 165 degree thermo.. then you better replace that one first!

    And install a quality sleeve type thermostat, not a cheapy poppet type that costs 4 or 5 bucks.

    Then you need to verify the actual readings that you need are correct. If you can't trust the gauges then get rid of them and get something that works. Do you have or can you get one of the laser type temperature guns? They can make diagnoses so much easier.
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    couple other basics might apply here---------sealant on sender could isolate grounding thru threads------

    Truck originly was 6 volt positive ground----now 12 volt will be negative ground--------

    instrument panels mid 50s had resistor in feed to gauges

    If you have a lazer pointing thermometer check the temp patterns of the whole radiator which will show flow patterns of the water and any cooling effects plus possibilities of runner bloakage--------

    Do you have correct rotation water pump ???????? are head gaskets on correctly????????

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    Something tells me he didn't get the answer he wanted, so he's a one and done.
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    Welcome to CHR:

    I would champion all the above. If at all possible, the stock clutch fan with a shroud works very well. There are time when electric must be employed due to clearance issues. I have a double fan setup on my 63 Nova and it works fine - comes on at 165 degrees and never runs too hot. It is hooked to a separate sensor just past the thermostat in the neck. The fans draw a lot of current and I use a relay to activate the circuit.
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    This is my fan. It's a puller, completely shrouded, and it handles 435 horspower. It's relay actuated due to current draw, and it works in Texas weather - even with an A/C condenser attached to the front of the radiator.

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    By no means am I one and done from this site. Just a lot of info to take in. I will get pics and more info on here ASAP. Limited time this week because of work. But I'll get to the bottom of this with your knowledge.
    Thanks and I will answer all questions soon.
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    That's nice setup Jack and IMHO you're the exception to the rule, well engineered and shrouded.
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    I'm glad you came back as there are many knowledgeable folks on this site and I'm sure your problem can be solved.
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    Ok, lets try to answer a few questions.
    Yes, it is shrouded. The fan sets 1" away from the radiator.
    A 14" fan is as big as I can put on due to radiator height.
    I have changed sending units and the new one isn't paired with my gauge is why I said the thermostat opened at 210. Shoot with temp gun it opens at 175 or so. So I was just calling 210 on my gauge normal.
    Run a compression check. all is good. No blown head gasket.
    No room for a clutch fan.
    I'll try to post pics tonight.
    Thanks
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