guys thanks for the info, I agree in trying to find out the exact cause it would be sensable to have the timing buttoned up so we have a known setting.

I will continue to look into this and get it set right. meanwhile I will look for a vacuum leak and any other issues to get this truck running right. Its fricken 0-10 degrees here so I am fighting the cold as well as the issues with this engine. Anyways, THanks for the help.

Robb