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yes your a good machinist but not the only one around. my stuff is built and built right. it does not break. yes sonic checking is a good idea i never said i just pick some random piece of shite and go for it. i see the bickering has not stopped on this site.
and yes i have build .125 and .155 over 283's and .080-.100 over 350's. big whooptie do.
if 8500 rpm and 13:5-1 compression dont test things to its limits tell me what does?
Attaboy Scooter, come out with all guns blazin'.....:LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
Oh man.I thought I was done here. Please tell me the minimum wall thickness that you yourself have machined??. On the skirt side and on the wrist pin side??.Quote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
What are we doing here anyways??. This is the engine section of the site. I started the ball rolling by saying you can't bore a 350 .080. THAT IS BASED ON COMMONLY WELL KNOWN PRACTICES!!!!. I'll be dammed if it isn't good advise. The engine section should be technical based. Based on in this case,machinists like Pat and Jerry. Not some defensive personal vendetta trying to prove yourself. And not some off the end of the dock haft cocked popularity contest.
Really it is quite simple. The performance industry came up with aftermarket blocks solely because over the yrs time and again it proved a need because of the limits of bores the production blocks. It along with other improvements in design has a market for those aftermarket blocks because of a "majority of people" agree with those limitations.
Now you can go on and on about your adventures,thing is it is risky.That is the facts. Facts that the mass majority agree with. Facts that created the market for aftermarket blocks. Facts that well beyond this site prove your advise is also risky. Facts that the industry of engine building also agree with. You imply this should be a commonly done practice.The history of boring engines does not support that fact.
Don't think your the ONLY one with the history of drag race.That would be assuming a ton. As I said already,in my past I owned,built,drove,two /MP cars. But I am getting side tracked to my point. In drag racing as you know there is a saying. "It is much better to be lucky than good". Given your suggestions...............seems to me you have been pretty damm lucky. Humm,NEVER had a failure???. I mean really??. NEVER??. Almost sounds impossible.................
Modified Production, huh???? You've been out of drag racing for a long time if that's what you ran, Gary!!!!!
Going with what the majority of people say will work and not work will get you performance just like the majority of people.....Average, at best...
People who actually accomplish something most of the time do things differently then the majority of people do, that's what makes their performance better and their combinations so unique.
Anyway, my point is, what are you running now??? As I mentioned before, Scooter puts up his combinations and where and when he was racing and what the results were, not just fairy tales of what he did or is going to do, or what someone else did!!!!
The things one did decades ago don't mean do-do, what are you doing TODAY?????? What are you building, what are you running, what have you built that is still in competition TODAY????
Most all of us post our current projects, plans, and build data, then back it up with pictures in the photo gallery.......
The old adage that a picture is worth a thousand words holds so very true in this case as well as most cases.... Obscure and vague references to something that may or may not have occurred mean very little.......
Here's a good plan to end all the bs and name calling, Scooter is planning and saving for his next car, how's about you do the same and we'll give the whole process say, one year......then the two of you can meet and go heads up!!!!! You gonna just talk the talk or are you going to walk the walk???????
I've given him plenty of opportunities to prove his knowledge.Twice about the most critical of all tests, sonic testing and now what I am asking him about wall thickness.
Me,walk the walk??. I have said it before.A Top dragster where partnership agreements limit posting pictures. If you expect me to post what we have found for a edge,that isn't going to happen. Thought given his ref,I thought talking about moon shot SBC's the time span was the same. Ya know with him living back in the day.............:LOL::LOL:
But this is silly. Commonly accepted practices do not recommend .080 bores let alone anything bigger. .060 is the standard. That is something we all know.
HMMMM boy you got me :) big deal there grass hopper . i push limits on more then one engine get back to me when you built more then a hand full of engines or more then 50? then do them for a living and over head on machines and get a MIK so state will let you hall wast out ? your way of thinking may change on playing with so..so parts you know could or may work... mine has ...when you get paid to do it.8500 RPMs with 500of NSO is nothing .i have engines that do that is that the bench mark? . just think how well a engine would run if the walls were not moving seening on how you would not say how you check the 283 i would bet it was not sonic check if so lucky . you shoud look at what i said? to what i posted go look back show me were i said NO engine could be bore over 100. you know some guy may read this post and think all 283 can go to 4.000 now a 50 year old block jacket rust = thin walls. and all 350 can go to 100. with out checking them NO . as for me as a machinist i let my customers speak about my work 1999 is not a big deal i paid four BBC 454 back in 85 to find one that would go that far and one had walls that could be bored and walls would not move that engine s is still at the track . .have a great day :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gassersrule_196
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Originally Posted by 1gary
Yer funny!!!! Why would one possibly limit picture posting of a race car??????? I'll bet you get a lot of sponsors that way, huh??????:rolleyes::rolleyes::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:
Yeah.The partner hates forums like this. Really can't understand why??.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Says he got nothing to prove. He owns haft and has the right to ask whatever he wants.:) Might be the reason why we have been together so long.:HMMM:
Sponsors don't come from media like this Dave.
But enough about me.Right??. Cause like my partner. I sure don't have either anything to prove.
The standard for boring a 350 is still never the less .030 or.060. After that common recommended practices of .060, is not to go beyond that point. It is known factor by all of us.
I am saying this as a off topic issue.It certainly is a common problem that all forums suffer from. Debates don't have a foundation based on the facts,but rather on attacks of the creditability of a poster. I am saying this for the benefit of this forum who has a wealth of talent in many,many,areas. If only we would come to a meeting of the minds based off the facts even when we disagree.
In this case. No need for me to post pictures of my racing operation and break a long standing agreement. I have consistently posted the facts. Sure wish you guys would stick to that. Last time(I hope),commonly accepted boring practices for a 350 SBC is not to bore one .080. To drive this point home is one all of you guys know.
Anybody that bores an engine ------rule of thumb is you'll get 6 cubic inches for .030 overbore
Anybody that is boring .030 or .060 looking for performance won't get much from the extra cubes, but it is an opertunity to refresh an engine if that amount of overbore won't violate the rules. The piston manufacturers of stock type pistons typicaly only make a few sizes--.020 sometimes, usually .030, some .040s and .060s--the generic rebuilders out there just jump to .030 as the first over bore as that will generally clean up a moderately used/abused cylinder wall.
If you are looking for CUBES, I and most anybody else doing PERFORMANCE type work will suggest strokers these days and/or replacement aftermarket blocks such as Dart because they can be bored out enough that you do get some inches-------
We will, on a rebuild of something special---do a clean up hone with torque plates to see how much it takes to clean, and then order pistons for that size---it is also not uncommon on a rebuild to have a couple of cylinders a different size .
Scooter has been deep into this from a pretty early age and has seen results pro/con of results that others talk about but haven't turned wrenches on.
It is a little known fact that he had a very special experimental cam of well over .800 lift that was made special by Bruce and Dave Crower years ago for a 287 sbc----------he has worked in teck at a race track, and for a well known car collector-----
Oh ya. To tick Pat off when he has saved all of your butts with advise at one point of another isn't very smart. Consider this forum without him. Hummm,then what??. Might want to think about that..........
cam you gave him hey jerry :) so let s get the rope out see who can piss up it the farthest . yep i been at it for a very long time built cars and trucks for customers . built alot of engine and painted many cars .i done many things i will not tell you how good i was or now... ask any one that knows me or see any of my work seen if any thing i post is real. i did not think i needed.. The List . this is sad when some one tell you there as good as you when they do not know me or what i done but love to give me shit. yep i worked and race at the strip that make me a machinist? thats is what your saying? jerry about Grass Hopper. well tonight i going to stay at the holiday inn in the morning i then i will pilot a plane... i worked on them and painted them... hell it can not be hard to pilot one right??
HEY THIS IS GREAT NEWS THERE GOING TO KICK ME OFF :) I well must be that some just do not like me.Jealous ? or are they just back up and they can not Poop....they hate it when some guy helps any one ????Quote:
Originally Posted by 1gary
Now lets not get hasty. I want these guys to think about that time they didn't know and you told them how.Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
Hmmm the phone call s or Emails ? or just the post on here ? not to sound like a smart ass... i like to help when i can . some on here just have a very short memoryQuote:
Originally Posted by 1gary