Okay heres what I am thinking for my 350 Upgrade.

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08-30-2009, 07:33 PM
LURCHBIOTCH

Okay heres what I am thinking for my 350 Upgrade.

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Okay so its a Gm goodwrench crate and I want to upgrade it how does something like this sound?

Apparentely the engine has 12cc dish pistons

I can get some of these heads used slightly:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/World...ehicleQ5fParts

I was think one of the fel pro rubber coated metal head gaskets with the .015 squish or something like that.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FPP-1094/

I was thinking something like this for cam the extreme energy 262

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CCA-CL12-238-2/

or this

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CCA-CL12-239-3/

What do you guys think? I am trying for around 330 hp with fair torque. This is my first attempt to put something together what do you guys think. Thanks
Brian
08-30-2009, 07:52 PM
techinspector1

"I was think one of the fel pro rubber coated metal head gaskets with the .015 squish or something like that."

You can't intelligently choose a head gasket until you know the piston deck height, (distance from the crown of the piston to the block deck surface where the heads bolt on with the piston at top dead center).
I've already explained to you how to do this in post #8 of this thread....
http://www.clubhotrod.com/forums/sho...t=feeler+gauge

IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PAY ATTENTION AND GO ACCORDINGLY, I'M GOING TO STOP TRYING TO HELP YOU. WAKE THE HELL UP AND PULL YOUR HEAD OUT!!!!!!!!

"I was thinking something like this for cam the extreme energy 262"

You can't intelligently choose a cam until you have figured the static compression ratio of the motor.
08-30-2009, 08:35 PM
LURCHBIOTCH

Quote:

Originally Posted by techinspector1

"I was think one of the fel pro rubber coated metal head gaskets with the .015 squish or something like that."

You can't intelligently choose a head gasket until you know the piston deck height, (distance from the crown of the piston to the block deck surface where the heads bolt on with the piston at top dead center).
I've already explained to you how to do this in post #8 of this thread....
http://www.clubhotrod.com/forums/sho...t=feeler+gauge

IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PAY ATTENTION AND GO ACCORDINGLY, I'M GOING TO STOP TRYING TO HELP YOU. WAKE THE HELL UP AND PULL YOUR HEAD OUT!!!!!!!!

"I was thinking something like this for cam the extreme energy 262"

You can't intelligently choose a cam until you have figured the static compression ratio of the motor.

Okay Okay I am not about to anything without your blessing. I am just trying to get something in the back of my head on what I am able to do. I understand I need to measure the deck. I will do this as soon as i get back to florida in about a month. Mainly I am trying to decide if I should pick up these 67cc heads. I mean they are 250 bucks with less then 250 miles on them. I need some with a conventional bolt pattern and I was thinking they may get me in the 300-350 neighborhood.

Okay tech I can do everything the same even though its gonna be a built short block? And not pistons without rings.
08-30-2009, 09:30 PM
tango

First thing techinspector1 you know better then to talk to a member Like that Wow :eek: And after that kind of reply do you really think the person will want to do what you say is right ?

As for that Dished Piston 350 Build . S/R Torquers 2.02"/1.60" in 67cc Chambers with the .015" shim Head Gaskets with that XE262H Comp Cam with the Right Dual Plain Intake / Carb and 1 5/8" Headers will pass up 330 H.P .
08-31-2009, 12:28 AM
techinspector1

Quote:

Originally Posted by tango

First thing techinspector1 you know better then to talk to a member Like that Wow :eek: And after that kind of reply do you really think the person will want to do what you say is right ?

As for that Dished Piston 350 Build . S/R Torquers 2.02"/1.60" in 67cc Chambers with the .015" shim Head Gaskets with that XE262H Comp Cam with the Right Dual Plain Intake / Carb and 1 5/8" Headers will pass up 330 H.P .

Tango, I've avoided answering anything you have written for the past year or so because it seems like all you want to do is argue and prove me wrong. But when you start telling me how to answer another board member, you've gone too far. It's none of your damned business what I say to other board members.

I resisted recommending a thin gasket because he has no idea if the block has been decked in a previous life, so for you to empirically recommend doing so is irresponsible.
08-31-2009, 02:04 AM
tango

That Piston to deck can be checked at home . But I would think you would have know that Tech ? Hey I have been waiting a mighty Long time to have Words with you guy . Bring it on . But Not on Here go to a P.M or my Forum . It's Time to end the B.S-ing > Bring it !
08-31-2009, 02:14 AM
tango

Your P.M is sent !
08-31-2009, 02:44 AM
techinspector1

Quote:

Originally Posted by tango

That Piston to deck can be checked at home . But I would think you would have know that Tech ? Hey I have been waiting a mighty Long time to have Words with you guy . Bring it on . But Not on Here go to a P.M or my Forum . It's Time to end the B.S-ing > Bring it !

If you had done your research instead of just spouting off, you would have seen that I advised the OP exactly how to it on another thread. That's why I advised him to pull his head out.
08-31-2009, 02:54 AM
techinspector1

Bill, this argument has gone to PM, no more on the board. Sorry.
08-31-2009, 06:59 AM
LURCHBIOTCH

Quote:

Originally Posted by techinspector1

Bill, this argument has gone to PM, no more on the board. Sorry.

Dont worry tech I am not offened....now what your opinion of these heads would you go for em? Is tango330 estimate close?
08-31-2009, 10:02 AM
30-A Rider

If you cvan get them for $250 and you know for fact they are in good dhspe and need noting then go for it. Even if you dont use them, you could re sell them and get your $$ back and then some. Chances are your block is not decked so far that you have any worry with thouse heads. You do need to measure as Tech stated on because you need to have a good idea of compression befor you order a cam. But by all means if the heads are in greaqt condition pick them up...if you dont use them shoo tme an e mail and I will but them from you.
08-31-2009, 01:29 PM
LURCHBIOTCH

Quote:

Originally Posted by 30-A Rider

If you cvan get them for $250 and you know for fact they are in good dhspe and need noting then go for it. Even if you dont use them, you could re sell them and get your $$ back and then some. Chances are your block is not decked so far that you have any worry with thouse heads. You do need to measure as Tech stated on because you need to have a good idea of compression befor you order a cam. But by all means if the heads are in greaqt condition pick them up...if you dont use them shoo tme an e mail and I will but them from you.

Ya thats what I am thinking I am going to get them tomorrow. They only had one summer season on this guys car with less then 150 miles and only one 1/4 mile run.
08-31-2009, 02:44 PM
HemiTCoupe

Quote:

Originally Posted by tango

First thing techinspector1 you know better then to talk to a member Like that Wow :eek: And after that kind of reply do you really think the person will want to do what you say is right ?

Tango you are correct! ;)
What gives Tech right to talk to people the way he did, He now thinks he's the Guru of everything and we all don't no anything, We all do it wrong, because he said so! Ask him, He must of read it somewhere that he knows it all, we all know he doesn't turn wrenches, just pages.

And whines to Bill! :CRY: Bill, this argument has gone to PM, no more on the board. Sorry. Why don't you apologize to LURCHBIOTCH It's his thread you screwed up! :HMMM:

Pat
08-31-2009, 05:29 PM
Dave Severson

Tell ya what---I'll take Richards advice and be grateful for it any time he wants to offer it!!!!!! It is always factual and based on real world experience as to what works and what doesn't....
08-31-2009, 05:44 PM
Dave Severson

Quote:

Originally Posted by TO-FAST-4U

I am new here but i think you mean that the other way around ? i have seen tango build car's from scratch on his forum and show photos and videos . as for that tech guy ? he shows nothing ? only take stuff that he finds in books and on line . real world experience wait ? go to his home hot rodders forum and see more of that great one there :LOL: :LOL:

yer funny!!!!:LOL::LOL::LOL:
08-31-2009, 07:25 PM
skids72

Wow.... Where's the popcorn?

-Chris
08-31-2009, 07:29 PM
josh bichard

No kidding, it's gettin a little heated in here!
08-31-2009, 07:34 PM
josh bichard

Corn's all we eat in texas! hahahah
08-31-2009, 07:43 PM
josh bichard

good to meet you to, but im not too old. Im a ripe ol 22
08-31-2009, 07:56 PM
josh bichard

I hear ya man.
09-01-2009, 02:48 AM
mrmustang

2fast4u turned out to be Tango who just wanted to come here and stir the pot for reasons I cannot fathom, all offending posts have been removed, Tango's alternate account has been deleted. Let's try not to degenerate any other threads into off topic attacks.

Bill S.
09-01-2009, 09:06 AM
techinspector1

OK LURCH, we can get back on subject now. I would advise purchase of the Torquers, based on dis-assembly and magnafluxing them for cracks. When you can post the piston deck height and head cc's, I'll try to help you further. If you do disassemble them and magnaflux them (highly recommended), leave them disassembled and measure the valve spring seat size. You'll want to find a set of old, stock, worn-out springs to use in breaking in the cam, then change the springs out after that to the springs recommended by the cam grinder for whatever cam you decide on.
09-01-2009, 09:46 AM
LURCHBIOTCH

Quote:

Originally Posted by techinspector1

OK LURCH, we can get back on subject now. I would advise purchase of the Torquers, based on dis-assembly and magnafluxing them for cracks. When you can post the piston deck height and head cc's, I'll try to help you further. If you do disassemble them and magnaflux them (highly recommended), leave them disassembled and measure the valve spring seat size. You'll want to find a set of old, stock, worn-out springs to use in breaking in the cam, then change the springs out after that to the springs recommended by the cam grinder for whatever cam you decide on.

I already bought them so lets just hope they are good i guess I am gonna need to buy some tools to tear down the heads. Any suggestions on what tools to use? I know when I do it assembled i need to fill the cylinder with compressed air.
btw these are the heads but the guy i bought them from said they were 1.94's I am not sure guess I will have to measure that
http://www.worldcastings.com/product...ron-heads.html
09-01-2009, 10:43 AM
techinspector1

Hmmmm, the tech sheet you linked says 2.02"/1.60".

This KD-912 will be easy on the wallet. You can use it to disassemble the heads as well as use it to change valve springs with the heads on.
http://www.mytoolstore.com/kd/kdengi13.html

You don't necessarily need shop air to change the springs with the motor assembled. Remove the spark plug, roll the piston down in the bore a little and fill the space above the piston with clothesline rope fed through the spark plug hole. Roll the piston back up to shmush (technical term :LOL:) the rope up against the valve heads and remove the springs.
09-01-2009, 12:25 PM
skids72

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Originally Posted by techinspector1

...fill the space above the piston with clothesline rope fed through the spark plug hole. Roll the piston back up to shmush (technical term :LOL:) the rope up against the valve heads and remove the springs...

I've heard this trick before and know folks that have been successful at it but I have also heard there can be risk of cutting the rope if it manages to get caught by a valve or coiled too much below the plug hole... something to think about. The shop air approach is "safer" in my opinion.

-Chris
09-01-2009, 01:46 PM
LURCHBIOTCH

Quote:

Originally Posted by skids72

I've heard this trick before and know folks that have been successful at it but I have also heard there can be risk of cutting the rope if it manages to get caught by a valve or coiled too much below the plug hole... something to think about. The shop air approach is "safer" in my opinion.

-Chris

I have shop air no worries. I just need a spark plug air fitting. I have heard you can make cheap homemade ones with a air fitting old spark plug and welder.

Do I really need to have the heads tested for cracks? Is this vital? Is it a major problem with cylinder heads?
09-01-2009, 07:22 PM
techinspector1

Quote:

Originally Posted by LURCHBIOTCH

I have shop air no worries. I just need a spark plug air fitting. I have heard you can make cheap homemade ones with a air fitting old spark plug and welder.

Do I really need to have the heads tested for cracks? Is this vital? Is it a major problem with cylinder heads?

It's your call.