Thread: ID these heads? They don't look Vortec! + other questions

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looks like you have the same block as me, Saxman. It's a good motor. Don't worry. Just rebuild and be happy :P

It's a fun .. "peppy" motor heh. peppy. seriously just stick a cam in it and be happy. Or buy yourself some vortec heads. Either way the block is good..


that being said if you can't return the motor..

Originally Posted by Crowbie

looks like you have the same block as me, Saxman. It's a good motor. Don't worry. Just rebuild and be happy :P

It's a fun .. "peppy" motor heh. peppy. seriously just stick a cam in it and be happy. Or buy yourself some vortec heads. Either way the block is good..

that being said if you can't return the motor..

I can't return the motor since it is in the used car I just bought. The problem is that he told me it was the 330hp crate engine from Summit. That's part of the reason I bought it.

I talked to him again and he said that he is sure it was rated at 330hp. I called Summit today and they don't have a non-Vortec engine rated at 330hp.

So frustrating!

I just found some new numbers toward the front of the block. They are 1MO709 5VP. I think I remember a number similar to this on another thread (I think it ended in 8VP) which denoted a certain crate engine. Google did not show anything on this number. Any ideas?

Saxman: What you are running into is the same thing we've seen for years. Every sbc that was installed in any car was suddenly a "corvette" engine, not a "chevy" engine. You would ask any rodder what was under the hood and it was always "Corvette." Your seller either told you a lie, or believed that it was a 330hp because of what a previous owner told him.

Was he the guy who built this car? If so, he should be able to provide you with an invoice for the Summit engine. Or, at the very least Summit should have some record under his name of selling him the engine. Most companies keep these kinds of sales on record for warranty purposes.

Bottom line, it is pretty obvious you do not have a 330 horse, but a generic Goodwrench base engine. Nothing wrong with that, but if you paid for the 330 and based your purchase on that, then you have something to talk to the seller about. At the very least he was deceptive and at the most, some fraud was involved.

You have to make the decision about how important those extra 80 horses are to you in the overall purchase, and act accordingly.

Don

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

Saxman: What you are running into is the same thing we've seen for years. Every sbc that was installed in any car was suddenly a "corvette" engine, not a "chevy" engine. You would ask any rodder what was under the hood and it was always "Corvette." Your seller either told you a lie, or believed that it was a 330hp because of what a previous owner told him.

Was he the guy who built this car? If so, he should be able to provide you with an invoice for the Summit engine. Or, at the very least Summit should have some record under his name of selling him the engine. Most companies keep these kinds of sales on record for warranty purposes.

Bottom line, it is pretty obvious you do not have a 330 horse, but a generic Goodwrench base engine. Nothing wrong with that, but if you paid for the 330 and based your purchase on that, then you have something to talk to the seller about. At the very least he was deceptive and at the most, some fraud was involved.

You have to make the decision about how important those extra 80 horses are to you in the overall purchase, and act accordingly.Don

Thank, Itoldyouso,

They guy I bought it from built it and said that his Mother-in-Law (Ann Davis) bought a 330hp GM crate engine from Summit a couple years ago. Summitt can't look it up without a zip code, and since the seller will have nothing to do with me (now that I know the engine is not what he said), I can't even get her zip. Besides, he knows he lied - so my advice to all: do NOT do business with Steve Yanda at Yons Racing in Colliers, WV.

The last guy that did this to me cannot sell his kit cars anymore because I made sure the word got out in the kit-car community. All I want Yons to do is tell me what engine is really in there...

I will be looking for some steel Vortec heads soon to give this "LM1" a little boost.

Thanks again for the advice, everyone!

Originally Posted by Saxman

Thank, Itoldyouso,

They guy I bought it from built it and said that his Mother-in-Law (Ann Davis) bought a 330hp GM crate engine from Summit a couple years ago. Summitt can't look it up without a zip code, and since the seller will have nothing to do with me (now that I know the engine is not what he said), I can't even get her zip. Besides, he knows he lied - so my advice to all: do NOT do business with Steve Yanda at Yons Racing in Colliers, WV.

The last guy that did this to me cannot sell his kit cars anymore because I made sure the word got out in the kit-car community. All I want Yons to do is tell me what engine is really in there...

I will be looking for some steel Vortec heads soon to give this "LM1" a little boost.

Thanks again for the advice, everyone!

It really is "buyer beware".
I would be very careful of what you say about people on the net.
Some people have been sued before for making slanderish re-marks.
What I can't understand is why a legit business owner won't return your calls.
Was this a used engine or an engine he was selling on consignment for someone else?
So if I understand this correctly this was supposedly a 330hp crate engine from Summit and Steve at Yon's racing re-built the engine?
Wow!!!,that is a story.
Did you leave anything out??
Just remember there are two sides or more to every story.

We have a local guy who advertises built bbc engines in the paper all the time. Man I know bought one to put in his TransAm, turned out the engine was put together with all junk, mismatched parts. He ended up suing the guy and did get his money back, but it was a fight.

I am in the marine business, and I see work done by other marinas and mobile techs all the time that borders on fraud. Anyone can get a business license, a listing in the phone book, and a shop. However, only a certain percentage of those are qualified or honest business people. That extends to the car hobby as well.

If you have any documentation of what you were supposed to have in that car, I would consider Small Claims Court. It will only cost you a few bucks and generally the burdon falls on the business to have superior knowledge, and the courts view it that way. If you only have a verbal on the 330 HP thing, you probably are out of luck, but it still may be worth your while to inconvenience the guy for the day he has to go to court, and it may also shake him up enough to make him want to make it right.

JMO,

Don

Originally Posted by erik erikson

It really is "buyer beware".
I would be very careful of what you say about people on the net.
Some people have been sued before for making slanderish re-marks.
What I can't understand is why a legit business owner won't return your calls.
Was this a used engine or an engine he was selling on consignment for someone else?
So if I understand this correctly this was supposedly a 330hp crate engine from Summit and Steve at Yon's racing re-built the engine?
Wow!!!,that is a story.
Did you leave anything out??
Just remember there are two sides or more to every story.

It's not slander if it's the truth and you can prove it.

Also, the valve covers are held on by 4 bolts around the perimeter of the cover. Vortecs have 4 bolts down the center of the cover, in a line.

Some newer heads have both.

Originally Posted by Henry Rifle

Some newer heads have both.

He has pictures in his first post.

I think what he said in his first post sums it up pretty well............


I was told by the previous owner that this was the 330hp crate engine from Summit - with Vortec heads. These don't look like Vortec heads to me and the intake is not for Vortec heads. I just want to make sure that I am seeing things right since I am new to working on SBC's. Any help?


It looks like in the sales pitch the seller TOLD him it was a Vortec, and not knowing Chevies he just accepted that as fact. I see this every day at the marina, someone buys a boat and the seller "told" him the engine was rebuilt, or the exhaust manifolds were just changed, and when we tear down the engine it is obvious he was misled.

We humans tend to believe other humans are as honest as we are. It is just human nature, plus we are excited to be getting this new toy and don't really ask for any proof that such an such has been really done. I think Saxman is sort of out of luck as he probably doesn't have anything in writing. But, as mentioned earlier, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Either have an Attorney write them a letter or take it yourself to small claims court.

I also wonder why the engine is torn down at this time. Did it fail or are you just putting a new intake, etc on it?


Don


Oh, another thing I hear a lot at the marina "nah, don't fix that, I am selling it anyway." Guess who gets to pay for the repair in the end?

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

I think what he said in his first post sums it up pretty well............


I was told by the previous owner that this was the 330hp crate engine from Summit - with Vortec heads. These don't look like Vortec heads to me and the intake is not for Vortec heads. I just want to make sure that I am seeing things right since I am new to working on SBC's. Any help?


It looks like in the sales pitch the seller TOLD him it was a Vortec, and not knowing Chevies he just accepted that as fact. I see this every day at the marina, someone buys a boat and the seller "told" him the engine was rebuilt, or the exhaust manifolds were just changed, and when we tear down the engine it is obvious he was misled.

We humans tend to believe other humans are as honest as we are. It is just human nature, plus we are excited to be getting this new toy and don't really ask for any proof that such an such has been really done. I think Saxman is sort of out of luck as he probably doesn't have anything in writing. But, as mentioned earlier, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Either have an Attorney write them a letter or take it yourself to small claims court.

I also wonder why the engine is torn down at this time. Did it fail or are you just putting a new intake, etc on it?


Don


Oh, another thing I hear a lot at the marina "nah, don't fix that, I am selling it anyway." Guess who gets to pay for the repair in the end?

Yes, the intake manifold was leaking pretty bad and there were no temp sensors in the car, so I couldn't tell what was going on inside. I only ran it for a couple of minutes because I couldn't see the temp. Seller said he only ran it 3 miles before taking the starter out to fix a leak in the remote oil connections and never put it back together. Most of the intake and carb bolts were only hand-tight. Maybe he took the heads and sold them on eBay or something...

I took off the intake (repainted it) and changed out the oil. It all goes back together tonight, so we'll see how she runs. I'll let you know. Thanks for the advice!

Well, being new to SBC's, I did not know anything about Vortec heads, so he had me there. Even after I got the car home, he sent me the link to the Summit website pointing to the 330hp Crate. He advertised the car here: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2389944 - so it is obvious that he claims the crate engine was 330hp. Summit doesn't have any other 330hp crate engine.

The guy's business is out of his back yard, so I doubt he does a lot of business - especially doing this kind of thing.

Originally Posted by Saxman

Well, being new to SBC's, I did not know anything about Vortec heads, so he had me there. Even after I got the car home, he sent me the link to the Summit website pointing to the 330hp Crate. He advertised the car here: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2389944 - so it is obvious that he claims the crate engine was 330hp. Summit doesn't have any other 330hp crate engine.

The guy's business is out of his back yard, so I doubt he does a lot of business - especially doing this kind of thing.

I mis-understood.
I thought this was a ligit business.
In other words you bought a used engine off some guy out of his backyard.
Now we are getting somewhere.

Am I putting too many zeros in the asking price? I see 5 zeros which would be $50,000.00. Tell me he had too many zeros in there please and that the price was really $ 5000.00.


Don