Thread: ID these heads? They don't look Vortec! + other questions

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Also, the valve covers are held on by 4 bolts around the perimeter of the cover. Vortecs have 4 bolts down the center of the cover, in a line.

Some newer heads have both.

Originally Posted by Henry Rifle

Some newer heads have both.

He has pictures in his first post.

I think what he said in his first post sums it up pretty well............


I was told by the previous owner that this was the 330hp crate engine from Summit - with Vortec heads. These don't look like Vortec heads to me and the intake is not for Vortec heads. I just want to make sure that I am seeing things right since I am new to working on SBC's. Any help?


It looks like in the sales pitch the seller TOLD him it was a Vortec, and not knowing Chevies he just accepted that as fact. I see this every day at the marina, someone buys a boat and the seller "told" him the engine was rebuilt, or the exhaust manifolds were just changed, and when we tear down the engine it is obvious he was misled.

We humans tend to believe other humans are as honest as we are. It is just human nature, plus we are excited to be getting this new toy and don't really ask for any proof that such an such has been really done. I think Saxman is sort of out of luck as he probably doesn't have anything in writing. But, as mentioned earlier, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Either have an Attorney write them a letter or take it yourself to small claims court.

I also wonder why the engine is torn down at this time. Did it fail or are you just putting a new intake, etc on it?


Don


Oh, another thing I hear a lot at the marina "nah, don't fix that, I am selling it anyway." Guess who gets to pay for the repair in the end?

Well, being new to SBC's, I did not know anything about Vortec heads, so he had me there. Even after I got the car home, he sent me the link to the Summit website pointing to the 330hp Crate. He advertised the car here: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2389944 - so it is obvious that he claims the crate engine was 330hp. Summit doesn't have any other 330hp crate engine.

The guy's business is out of his back yard, so I doubt he does a lot of business - especially doing this kind of thing.

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

I think what he said in his first post sums it up pretty well............


I was told by the previous owner that this was the 330hp crate engine from Summit - with Vortec heads. These don't look like Vortec heads to me and the intake is not for Vortec heads. I just want to make sure that I am seeing things right since I am new to working on SBC's. Any help?


It looks like in the sales pitch the seller TOLD him it was a Vortec, and not knowing Chevies he just accepted that as fact. I see this every day at the marina, someone buys a boat and the seller "told" him the engine was rebuilt, or the exhaust manifolds were just changed, and when we tear down the engine it is obvious he was misled.

We humans tend to believe other humans are as honest as we are. It is just human nature, plus we are excited to be getting this new toy and don't really ask for any proof that such an such has been really done. I think Saxman is sort of out of luck as he probably doesn't have anything in writing. But, as mentioned earlier, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Either have an Attorney write them a letter or take it yourself to small claims court.

I also wonder why the engine is torn down at this time. Did it fail or are you just putting a new intake, etc on it?


Don


Oh, another thing I hear a lot at the marina "nah, don't fix that, I am selling it anyway." Guess who gets to pay for the repair in the end?

Yes, the intake manifold was leaking pretty bad and there were no temp sensors in the car, so I couldn't tell what was going on inside. I only ran it for a couple of minutes because I couldn't see the temp. Seller said he only ran it 3 miles before taking the starter out to fix a leak in the remote oil connections and never put it back together. Most of the intake and carb bolts were only hand-tight. Maybe he took the heads and sold them on eBay or something...

I took off the intake (repainted it) and changed out the oil. It all goes back together tonight, so we'll see how she runs. I'll let you know. Thanks for the advice!

Originally Posted by Saxman

Well, being new to SBC's, I did not know anything about Vortec heads, so he had me there. Even after I got the car home, he sent me the link to the Summit website pointing to the 330hp Crate. He advertised the car here: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2389944 - so it is obvious that he claims the crate engine was 330hp. Summit doesn't have any other 330hp crate engine.

The guy's business is out of his back yard, so I doubt he does a lot of business - especially doing this kind of thing.

I mis-understood.
I thought this was a ligit business.
In other words you bought a used engine off some guy out of his backyard.
Now we are getting somewhere.

Am I putting too many zeros in the asking price? I see 5 zeros which would be $50,000.00. Tell me he had too many zeros in there please and that the price was really $ 5000.00.


Don

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

Am I putting too many zeros in the asking price? I see 5 zeros which would be $50,000.00. Tell me he had too many zeros in there please and that the price was really $ 5000.00.


Don

Even at $5,000 this seems to much.

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

Am I putting too many zeros in the asking price? I see 5 zeros which would be $50,000.00. Tell me he had too many zeros in there please and that the price was really $ 5000.00.Don

Yeah, but I talked him down from $50,000k to $39,000k. DId I get a good deal at $39,000?

OK - actually, I got the entire car for $3k. So, I talked him down $47,000 - and I guess that's why he stiffed me on the engine! Here, I thought I got the car for the cost of the crate engine, but I was wrong. I got it for the cost of two LM1's. Still a good deal considering everything underneath is powder coated or Por-15'd. He did all the busy work for me -- and bought the V8 conversion ($2k) to boot.

Still, it would have been nice to have 330hp.

Ok, that's better. You didn't get hurt at all at that price. Maybe you didn't get all the engine you were promised, but overall the price was fair. Can't expect too much for that kind of money these days.

Fix the bugs and enjoy it.

Don

Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

Ok, that's better. You didn't get hurt at all at that price. Maybe you didn't get all the engine you were promised, but overall the price was fair. Can't expect too much for that kind of money these days.

Fix the bugs and enjoy it.

Don

Will do. I hope to have it on the road in a couple of days (I/m off today and tomorrow).

THanks!