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Originally posted by lt1s10
if you talking porking beans and crackers, vienna, or potted meat you talking good eating. no sardines :(
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Originally posted by lt1s10
if you talking porking beans and crackers, vienna, or potted meat you talking good eating. no sardines :(
erik its to bad you cant fix motors as well as you spell. you might be somebody. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by erik erikson
I'll tell you right now.I am not porking anyones beans.:3dSMILE:
You are right.Would that be a single phase motor?The one on my air compressor has being acting up a little.:LOL: :whacked:Quote:
Originally posted by lt1s10
erik its to bad you cant fix motors as well as you spell. you might be somebody. :rolleyes:
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:LOL: :LOL: Man, this conversation started out bad, then went down hill quickly!!!!**) **) :LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by erik erikson
I'll tell you right now.I am not porking anyones beans.:3dSMILE:
Give it a couple aspirin and have it call me in the morning.......:3dSMILE: :3dSMILE:Quote:
Originally posted by erik erikson
You are right.Would that be a single phase motor?The one on my air compressor has being acting up a little.:LOL: :whacked:
You just can't beat Va. farm boys............we've been porking beans for a long time...lol
That is what I was afraid of.:LOL: :LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by hambiskit
You just can't beat Va. farm boys............we've been porking beans for a long time...lol
that's just something else erik don't know. :rolleyes: if you take a pot of beans and put a piece of pork in it, I believe you would be porking the beans, and you get pork and beans out of the pot and a co. came along and called theirs pork "n" beans which eirk thinks is what all of them are called i guess. wrong!!! I try to teach him something about building motors and now I got to give cooking lessons to. got to be a easer way to make a living than this. **)Quote:
Originally posted by hambiskit
You just can't beat Va. farm boys............we've been porking beans for a long time...lol
Oh boy!!! just found out we can't pick on ricers, now we can argue about food!!! yipppppeeeeeeeee!!!!:LOL: :LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by lt1s10
that's just something else erik don't know. :rolleyes: if you take a pot of beans and put a piece of pork in it, I believe you would be porking the beans, and you get pork and beans out of the pot and a co. came along and called theirs pork "n" beans which eirk thinks is what all of them are called i guess. wrong!!! I try to teach him something about building motors and now I got to give cooking lessons to. got to be a easer way to make a living than this. **)
I see you are still up-set about the plasi-gauge issue you have.Please seek professional help.Let it go, everyone else has but you.Move on with your life. You might be able to sweep the floor in my shop but I doubt it "John Boy".Anyone that builds engines and uses plasti-gauge really is not an engine builder they are a back-yard mechanic or a cobbler.You can't teach an old dog new tricks.Oh,by the way I build CNC cylinder heads and engines.I do not build electric "motors".Thanks for the cooking lesson though it was very helpfull.:LOL:: **)Quote:
Originally posted by lt1s10
that's just something else erik don't know. :rolleyes: if you take a pot of beans and put a piece of pork in it, I believe you would be porking the beans, and you get pork and beans out of the pot and a co. came along and called theirs pork "n" beans which eirk thinks is what all of them are called i guess. wrong!!! I try to teach him something about building motors and now I got to give cooking lessons to. got to be a easer way to make a living than this. **)
I don't know why I'm bothering to tell you this Eric, because I know that you have figgered it out - but you put the plstigauge in the reliefs to get a static check on your valve to piston clearence.
It works great to double check your math- in case you forget a measurement in your equation. It happens all the time, and many engine builders use it, not all have cnc capibilities. It doesn't mean that they are any less the mechanic than you.
In your first post you said you lay the plasti gauge on top of the valve reliefs now you say you place it in the valve reliefs.Which is it?I guess I was un-aware that there was plasti-gauge even thick enough to check piston to valve clearance.It sure sounds like a lot of work taking the heads on and off the engine.Many engine builders use it?Having CNC machines has nothing to do with checking piston to valve clearance only fly-cutting the piston valve reliefs if you have the right program.I am not a mechanic. I build CNC cylinder heads and engines.Quote:
Originally posted by hambiskit
I don't know why I'm bothering to tell you this Eric, because I know that you have figgered it out - but you put the plstigauge in the reliefs to get a static check on your valve to piston clearence.
It works great to double check your math- in case you forget a measurement in your equation. It happens all the time, and many engine builders use it, not all have cnc capibilities. It doesn't mean that they are any less the mechanic than you.
we know you're not a mechanic, but you sure talk a lot of crap to be just a cylinder head machine operator. I guess if you have the right program it will x ray the head so you can see the piston to valve clearances. you say it sounds like a lot of work to pull the heads off to check piston to valve clearances, it is a lot of work , but that's the only way to know, and if you don't, and don't use plastigauge on the last assembly, to check oil clearances. you're building a 1/2 a*s motor. when you're charging as much as you you are, you should be doing everything possible to be sure its right. my brother owned a motor rebuild plant in N.C. and from 1990 to 95 my shops in Richmond installed close to 1300 motors, some mo. we would install 75 motors, so I know a little about building a motor, installing and making it run after you get it in. what is it you do again? :HMMM: **)Quote:
Originally posted by erik erikson
In your first post you said you lay the plasti gauge on top of the valve reliefs now you say you place it in the valve reliefs.Which is it?I guess I was un-aware that there was plasti-gauge even thick enough to check piston to valve clearance.It sure sounds like a lot of work taking the heads on and off the engine.Many engine builders use it?Having CNC machines has nothing to do with checking piston to valve clearance only fly-cutting the piston valve reliefs if you have the right program.I am not a mechanic. I build CNC cylinder heads and engines.
Why,don't you go back and read my post about how I check piston to valve clearance.I use a piece of measuring equipment called a dial indicator.I also use a piece of eqipment called an inside bore gauge to set up my crank and rod's oil clearance.Who checks piston to valve clearance using plasti- gauge?Why don't you do yourself a favor and go to a real shop that builds engines and see how they check their clearance's.You might be a little surprised.I have not used plasti-gauge on any engines in many years.You really need to move on with this.I am done with this.If you don't know what I do then I am not going to tell you.You just can't teach an old dog new tricks.:):LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by lt1s10
we know you're not a mechanic, but you sure talk a lot of crap to be just a cylinder head machine operator. I guess if you have the right program it will x ray the head so you can see the piston to valve clearances. you say it sounds like a lot of work to pull the heads off to check piston to valve clearances, it is a lot of work , but that's the only way to know, and if you don't, and don't use plastigauge on the last assembly, to check oil clearances. you're building a 1/2 a*s motor. when you're charging as much as you you are, you should be doing everything possible to be sure its right. my brother owned a motor rebuild plant in N.C. and from 1990 to 95 my shops in Richmond installed close to 1300 motors, some mo. we would install 75 motors, so I know a little about building a motor, installing and making it run after you get it in. what is it you do again? :HMMM: **)
I believe I have already covered that in a previous post.Quote:
Originally posted by DennyW
Erik, how do you know that the valves are at, and in the right position to the piston ? I would be interested in hearing the procedure.
I think you know and you where checking to see if I knew.You are not slipping.I left it basic so I would not confuse people.Quote:
Originally posted by DennyW
Well, not really. There are 5 different ways to check that. You only covered the basic. No problem, I thought I might be slipping or something. :LOL:
I know how to do it. you're the one that don't know but one way. the way you explained it, you don't know what you have when you get through. you know the valve is not hitting the piston, but you don't have no idea where the valve is really at. if you don't put something on top of the piston for the valve to hit, then you don't know. who checks valve to piston clearances with plastigauge or clay? everyone that I know of that build hi performance motors. I hope you are through with it, and you can stop making fun of other peoples spelling while you're at it. you started this bull crap last nite I didnt, so take your own advice and move on,
If the piston is at TDC and the valve is at max. lift and I open it another .060 or .080 and it does not touch the piston why would'nt I know where the valve is at?Anyone else want to try exlaining this to Mike here?Dave,Pat,Denny anyone?I give up.Quote:
Originally posted by lt1s10
I know how to do it. you're the one that don't know but one way. the way you explained it, you don't know what you have when you get through. you know the valve is not hitting the piston, but you don't have no idea where the valve is really at. if you don't put something on top of the piston for the valve to hit, then you don't know. who checks valve to piston clearances with plastigauge or clay? everyone that I know of that build hi performance motors. I hope you are through with it, and you can stop making fun of other peoples spelling while you're at it. you started this bull crap last nite I didnt, so take your own advice and move on,
I don't need nobody to explain it to me, I know what your 're doing, and all you know is the valve is not hitting the piston, you don't know how close it is to the piston. it would be nice to know. hambiskit explained it to"you"this morning and you didn't pay no attention to him. :DQuote:
Originally posted by erik erikson
If the piston is at TDC and the valve is at max. lift and I open it another .060 or .080 and it does not touch the piston why would'nt I know where the valve is at?Anyone else want to try exlaining this to Mike here?Dave,Pat,Denny anyone?I give up.
it the same as checking the bearings with plastergauge, it dont have to be done, but you need to stop telling everybody how good a motor you build, because for what people are paying for them they're not getting their moneys worth.
Mike,you really need to go back and read my other posts or have some one explain these things to you.Yes,I am able to tell how close the valve is to the piston.I run it until it touches the piston and subtract my gross valve lift from that number.That shows my clearance.Funny thing is this has worked for 15 or more years for me.I had two engines in modifieds that finished in the top ten in 2005 at the I.M.C.A. Supernatinals.There where over 500 cars there.Gee,I don't know.Two in the top ten.Not bad for a mid-western farm boy who does'nt know anything.I still would like some one to try and explain this to Mike.What we have here is a total lack of communication.What really is funny is you are the only one that is up-set about what I charge any I have never sold you anything.L.O.L. :LOL: :whacked:Quote:
Originally posted by lt1s10
I don't need nobody to explain it to me, I know what your 're doing, and all you know is the valve is not hitting the piston, you don't know how close it is to the piston. it would be nice to know. hambiskit explained it to"you"this morning and you didn't pay no attention to him. :D
it the same as checking the bearings with plastergauge, it dont have to be done, but you need to stop telling everybody how good a motor you build, because for what people are paying for them they're not getting their moneys worth.
Whoops
You engine builders .... :rolleyes:
Guys this ain't brain surgery.
Both methods will work, although I too am unaware of plastigage that thick (> 20 mil). As you all know plastigage is typically used to check bearing clearances, not larger gaps. Modeling clay etc would work just fine too. Maybe even penut butter in a real pinch.
I still respect you both. Now kiss kiss and make nice. :)
Best Regards, Kitz
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Originally posted by Dave Severson
Oh boy!!! just found out we can't pick on ricers, now we can argue about food!!! yipppppeeeeeeeee!!!!:LOL: :LOL:
we cant pick on ricers?!??? why not????:CRY: :CRY:
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Originally posted by kitz
You engine builders .... :rolleyes:
Guys this ain't brain surgery.
Both methods will work, although I too am unaware of plastigage that thick (> 20 mil). As you all know plastigage is typically used to check bearing clearances, not larger gaps. Modeling clay etc would work just fine too. Maybe even penut butter in a real pinch.
I still respect you both. Now kiss kiss and make nice. :)
Best Regards, Kitz
this don't have anything to do with motors, i dont care how he builds his motors, its about eriks smart a*s mouth.
i'm not gonna kiss him, but he can
Me too, I usually like to stay at about .100 on valve to piston clearance, figure it gives me about a .020 safety cusion. I use the light springs and dial indicator method to check clearance, that along with one eye on the degree wheel, no need to double check with clay....I wasn't aware they made plasti-gage in .060 to .100 thickness ranges, never seen it at much more then .006 or so. Don't know for sure, been years since I've used it.Quote:
Originally posted by erik erikson
If the piston is at TDC and the valve is at max. lift and I open it another .060 or .080 and it does not touch the piston why would'nt I know where the valve is at?Anyone else want to try exlaining this to Mike here?Dave,Pat,Denny anyone?I give up.
Erik if these guys agreed you were right they would never say so. For whatever reason they don't like you, or me either I suppose, and I would imagine they will do their best to torpedo every post you put on here.
As I said on the last pi**ing contest, how about we just forget the personality and ego crap and just share information that makes us all better hot rodders........
Mike, that is very cute.The least you could do is buy me some dinner first.If you are really good you might even get a kiss BIG BOY.**) :LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by lt1s10
this don't have anything to do with motors, i dont care how he builds his motors, its about eriks smart a*s mouth.
i'm not gonna kiss him, but he can
Well, I think I'll stick with expending my energy, time, and mental processes towards building a better hot rod...... Never did enjoy the other crap anyhow...
I know what it is they don't like roundy round racer's from the midwest.:LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Severson
Me too, I usually like to stay at about .100 on valve to piston clearance, figure it gives me about a .020 safety cusion. I use the light springs and dial indicator method to check clearance, that along with one eye on the degree wheel, no need to double check with clay....I wasn't aware they made plasti-gage in .060 to .100 thickness ranges, never seen it at much more then .006 or so. Don't know for sure, been years since I've used it.
Erik if these guys agreed you were right they would never say so. For whatever reason they don't like you, or me either I suppose, and I would imagine they will do their best to torpedo every post you put on here.
As I said on the last pi**ing contest, how about we just forget the personality and ego crap and just share information that makes us all better hot rodders........
Pat,get on in there.We where just talking about Mike buying me dinner.:)
well maybe we can.not get along ? erick you may build a better engine then me ? but i have built stuff that you may have put in the dumpster and they are still running . eveyone has there way to do stuff i have tryed to get along with all of you. BUT there is one thing i do not like. making fun of any ones spelling. my spelling is very bad. all may posts need to be eddied and so it takes me time to post i do not think any one should make fun of some one problem. all this is free info for someone let them make up there mind how they want to do it. denny wanted to know how to find true center to fly cut that is easy. take a junk valve cut the head off cut a point on it put your head with no valves in it. on run the piston up TDC drop the old valve that now a punch thur the gulde and tap it this is were true center is:whacked:
Yup, you're right. It's all my fault. and yup, you and Mike are those guys. This thread started out as a discussion on Hot
Rod engine building preferences, then instantly turned into a pi**ing contest. I appreciate the yellow Mustang, but if that means I have to agree with everything you and Mike say, sorry I bothered you about it. Just drop the BS and go back to hot rodding. If you and Mike don't like Erik, what in the heck difference does it make? Does it justify attacking everything he sez??? And of course now I'm the A**hole, Erik has a smart mouth, and no one should ever have a difference of opinion with someone just because they're older??? That's BS and you know it.... Now just drop it, ok????? When it comes to taking sides, always show me on the side of building a better Hot Rod.......
RUFF,RUFF,not until Mike takes me to dinner.Quote:
Originally posted by DennyW
Erik, I got a few dog biscuits for your supper. Now go lay down, and behaive. :LOL:
As with the last thread that degraded to this level, best thing that could happen is that one of the moderator's lock the flippin' thing down, and let it slowly die a natural death.....Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Severson
Yup, you're right. It's all my fault. and yup, you and Mike are those guys. This thread started out as a discussion on Hot
Rod engine building preferences, then instantly turned into a pi**ing contest. I appreciate the yellow Mustang, but if that means I have to agree with everything you and Mike say, sorry I bothered you about it. Just drop the BS and go back to hot rodding. If you and Mike don't like Erik, what in the heck difference does it make? Does it justify attacking everything he sez??? And of course now I'm the A**hole, Erik has a smart mouth, and no one should ever have a difference of opinion with someone just because they're older??? That's BS and you know it.... Now just drop it, ok????? When it comes to taking sides, always show me on the side of building a better Hot Rod.......
Dave,I thought I was the A--hole.No,wait I am the smart a--.:LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Severson
Yup, you're right. It's all my fault. and yup, you and Mike are those guys. This thread started out as a discussion on Hot
Rod engine building preferences, then instantly turned into a pi**ing contest. I appreciate the yellow Mustang, but if that means I have to agree with everything you and Mike say, sorry I bothered you about it. Just drop the BS and go back to hot rodding. If you and Mike don't like Erik, what in the heck difference does it make? Does it justify attacking everything he sez??? And of course now I'm the A**hole, Erik has a smart mouth, and no one should ever have a difference of opinion with someone just because they're older??? That's BS and you know it.... Now just drop it, ok????? When it comes to taking sides, always show me on the side of building a better Hot Rod.......
Here it goes again. Any owners of Clubhotrod reading? May I suggest " 3 strikes and your out for a month?". NOTHING ,I REPEAT,NOTHING,PERSONAL towards anyone, but guys the arguing ruins this website. :(
:LOL: :LOL: I lose track, we could just change titles once a week. Lord knows I've been called a lot worse!!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by erik erikson
Dave,I thought I was the A--hole.No,wait I am the smart a--.:LOL:
Shevy, you will just have to wait.Right now I am dancing with Mike.:LOL:Quote:
Originally posted by shevy not heme
Here it goes again. Any owners of Clubhotrod reading? May I suggest " 3 strikes and your out for a month?". NOTHING ,I REPEAT,NOTHING,PERSONAL towards anyone, but guys the arguing ruins this website. :(
I have been called a lot worse by better.:LOL: **)Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Severson
:LOL: :LOL: I lose track, we could just change titles once a week. Lord knows I've been called a lot worse!!!!!
dave this started when eirk went off on the porking bean joke. how do you get me and denny started this. i dont want him making fun of my post, let him make fun of yours. you act like you dont never get mad. ill see if i cant find a few ford jokes. :HMMM: