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yes i will sell it on e-bay 402 block tru-deck deck plate .040 over gm hyd roller cam 483 lift 224 @.050 115 centers 2.190 intake 1.880 ex bowl work gm windage tray professional produts dual plane look at your first post on 396 this the one i told you about
so thats what you used on a 402? bored it out is it all complete? what size carb? can you tell me everything you used on this engine, what heads, and parts?
402 o port heads the i ran this thur the desktop was 780 cfm i told you what size the valve are and the bore i do not know what you are asking me ?this engine like i said is getting built to sell and like i said look at the you first post it is all there if you are asking if it will come with a carb no it will not it will be from intake to pan no carb or water pump or dist or starterQuote:
Originally posted by mad hooker
so thats what you used on a 402? bored it out is it all complete? what size carb? can you tell me everything you used on this engine, what heads, and parts?
You need to decide if you are married to an engine size or a power number. The power isn't hard to get. The parts are available. But screwing with the notion that you NEED a 396 is stretching it.
If you want 420 HP, get a small block. It'll take weight off the front end and make just as much power. if you want a big block, forget about mileage. Get a 454 or 502. Parts are plentiful and reasonably priced. Will get you get 20 MPG? Are you you kidding??? But you'll make 450 HP to 500 HP almost without trying.
Another route to go if you don't fear the computer would be a GM Gen III small block. These can be bored and stroke to various sizes depending on your budget. I'm starting with a 6.0L (364 CI) truck block, and using a stroker crank for 402 CI. Normally asperated, the engines can put out well over 400 HP to the 550 HP. And the great part is that they will return reasonable mileage when matched with a decent gear and overdrive transmission.
eh no computer stuff. but i get what you mean. on the forged kits whats it mean when you guys put TRW?
It's a manufacturer's name, stands for Thompson-Ramo-Woolridge.Quote:
Originally posted by mad hooker
eh no computer stuff. but i get what you mean. on the forged kits whats it mean when you guys put TRW?
T 0 R ace W ith ??? **) :LOL:
hahaha okay. what kind of block would you guys recomend for a 396- 409 build up? im looking for that 420- 440 hp and close to 500lbs- tq, what what you guys use?
why are you so stuck on 396? You aren't going to get any better of milage from a 396 than you would a 454 or a 502 and you'll spend so much less money if you use the 454 or 502 beceause it takes less to make more. With a 454 or 502 you would easily pass your power goal.
No matter how you build a big block, your going to be able to pass anything but a gas station so be prepared for that.
The small block posters were also very accurate. With today's aftermarket and the things that are sold you can easily build a small block to these standards. Maybe cheaper than you could in a big block depending on who you buy the parts from...
I think the board shared my curiousity however, of why are you so stuck on 396 or 402? They weigh the same as a 454, they are the same size as a 454, except the 454 makes a lot more power for a lot less money than the 396.
does anybody here know how to give adivce to a person with the motor they have? i dont think so every time i read these threads "im bulding a so and so for this can you help me" i always see well you need to dump what you have and go bigger. how about we give the person advice on how to fix up the motor THEY HAVE instead of telling them to junk it!!and giving them combo's for motors they DONT HAVE!!!!!!! JMHFO
hey gasserrule, thank you man, i mean im not trying to dog anybody or anything thing like that , i respect everyone in the club, but the reason im so stuck on a 396, or something very close , is because i wanted to run a engine that the car originally came with, or something close, and i know a engine of this size can do what i want it too with problems, i know a 396 can throw nice numbers, 420hp-450tq thats what i want, all im asking is for combos that have been used and have been proven, that all nothing more, and if anybody can help i would really appreciate it .
well upon rereading your first post i discovered the car that your building this for.
I'm not telling you to junk the 396 so don't flame on my post for that. I'm simply asking why a 396. Also I'm not telling him to junk what he has. If you would read some of his other posts you'd see the he does not have a 396.
I dunno about you but "I don't have a block yet" signifies that he does not currently have a 396 and that the posters on this board are trying to keep him from buying a money pit.Quote:
i dont have a block yet, i want low compression, what you recomend for a cam, hyd, or roller?
Also, mad hooker some of the el caminos also came with 454's so if u want to keep it close to what it came with, a 454 is still a choice. The el caminos also came with small blocks as well. Mine came with SBC 350 and a TH350. So really you can do whatever for an engine and still have something close to what they came with.
Also, dollar for dollar, being as how you DO NOT have anything for this engine yet, you might be better off going with something besides a 396. and thats JMHFO
okay, i see where your coming from, mine is a 69ss396. why are you guys putting down my choice of a 396 for my car , ITS WHAT I WANT FOR IT. i want to biuld a 396. why should i go with something else??? okay maybe it will be more exspensive.... i dont care, its what i want... come on guys, just help me out here, thats what this forum is for right?
last time i check i told you how to bulid this ? at first you have unreasonable goals and now think you are on track and i told you what to do? this is all i can do? you will have to build it and why would i take any time to try to help you?? this is not my first big block and i do not need to get slamed ?? for telling you what you can get with you goals or are you looking for someone to lie to you ? THIS WOULD NOT BE ME good dayQuote:
Originally posted by mad hooker
hey gasserrule, thank you man, i mean im not trying to dog anybody or anything thing like that , i respect everyone in the club, but the reason im so stuck on a 396, or something very close , is because i wanted to run a engine that the car originally came with, or something close, and i know a engine of this size can do what i want it too with problems, i know a 396 can throw nice numbers, 420hp-450tq thats what i want, all im asking is for combos that have been used and have been proven, that all nothing more, and if anybody can help i would really appreciate it .
this is going to sound wild but its really not if i was to do it again this would be the best way rebuild the 396 with 8-5 compression forged pistons and put on a mini roots blower. it cost as much as the setup i build and the motor will be more efficent and think its 500 plus cubes. it comes with a very streetable 6psi of boost pulley and you would only have to do minor changes to the carb. it wont be much worse on gas either. you didt say what heads you have if you have the stock heads just clean them up they proably work as good as my merlins plus i had to switch to open chamber pistons.
heads cost 1500
intake cost 250
roller cam set up 800 cam lifters pushrosds
cost of a 174 blower 1800 dollars the blower would be cheaper proably make close to 475 hp and 500 lbs torque at the flywheel.
it sounds wild but think of the gm 3.8 liter supercharged motors. a motor can never be more efficent when it has something injecting air in the cylinders than the motor doing it on its own
also with a small blower your average power will move the car and you can use a mild hyd cam
hey pat im not trying to slam you, not at all, all i was asking of you was to write what you did and parts on a single page, so i woundnt have to look through all the different pages, thats all, i wasnt slamming you,its just not the way i wanted to go, thats all, just 396, thats all im asking, and if you took it the wrong way im sorry. im not mad doggin any body, its just you guys threw all kinds of different ways that i didnt want to go. thats why things popped off. thats all. im not saying that they were bad combos, or what ever , its just i dont want to use them with those size engines. just a 396.
does it have to come out to 396 cui or are you just stuck on using a 396 block?
Here's one setup
Here's another build up
These both have dyno sheets on the page with them. Good luck.
The first is a good forged 396 setup, the second is a good stroker setup.
::NOTE:: I have never purchased or used either of these kits. I am just speaking off of what those pages say. They do have dyno sheets with them.
i wanted to use a 396 block. i was thinking of using that same kit from speedo motive, with those i should get my numbers right? well whats the hightest compression you can use on pump gas? i want around 9:1 but as long as it can run on pump, ill be happy. just really hoping on 450hp and 450=+ torque not much as long as the hp is close to 450, and the tq is a little over like 460 or so, that wil be perfect. i have a john lingenfelter book on small blocks, i was wondering if any one had any 396 built by him with these numbers, or know 396 combos that he has used.
one set of forged pistons speed pros $440
one new gm steel L88 crankcross drill$220
recon set of gm rods with arp.bolts $170 one set of hastings rings molly $ 60
cam rods mains bearings mich P $ 80 balance mass on hines machine $150
this will handle 450 hp easily
thank you very much pat, that helps alot. ok earlier you said it would depend on what type of cam, roller or hydyrolic, which would you recomend, and what type of heads?
roller cam gm hyd roller cam this has no fule pump lobe .483 lift 224dur@.050 115 lc $40 from competition products heads any small chamber big Oport heads cast 390 98cc cr 9.59 or casting 241 113cc with big valves and cut the heads you may have 109.cc this may be 8.5 cr hard to say it would all have to beCC check out and o deck and head gasket size but this you be close
this will run good with 3:73 gears? also, th350 or th400? also what if i bore the block to be a 402?
030 over 396 is a402 a 350 or 400 would work with the low hp the 350 tanks less hp to run so this may be the way to go but the 400 is very heavy i can take alot 373 gear would work good
ok what type distributor and ignition should i run? and i wanted to run a dual plane intake and a 750 holley duble pumper? what else would you recomend?
msd or gm hei intake dual plane edelbrock rpm and 750 edelbrock carb or holley vac sec
use a 4 speed gain 35-50 horsepower:3dSMILE: ;)
hey pat what dish size on the pistons? and where can i find the crankshaft?
there is no dish and $440 there is only one piston forged for this price them are my prices. crank i have and the rods .you wanted a kit .this is my kit the L88 crank is by gm you may find one on e-bay or after market or all of this stuff used on e- bay
nah no used stuff im going all new, i found the forged pistons for the 396 on summit. if i bore the block to a 402 i can still use these pistons right? and what do you mean when you said the crank was cross drilled? i dont know what that is.
Don't buy pistons until you know what heads you are going to use and the chamber volume. Once you know the heads, you can coordinate the piston crown configuration and the chamber volume to finalize your static compression ratio. Then and only then, you can begin to look for the proper cam.
You will want to be on top of the squish also as you do your planning. With the small bore, you can hold the squish at or near 0.035" to 0.040". If you stay at or below 9.5:1, you can use a fairly tame cam for good manifold vacuum and good low-end response. With tight squish, the motor will not detonate at 9.5 with iron heads on pump gas.
i said that if it is .030 over396 it would be stock 402 bore this is over a .030 over a 396. you have to know what bore size you have a 396 .030or.040 or.060 ? stock 402??.030 or .040 or .060what do you have? cross drill crank helps with oil feeding of the rods and there is more than one ways to like straigt-shot to. i will not get i all this with you not evey crank this done. some have thing done different they all work and some may work better in hi rpm like i said there is not any pistons for this two type of pistons that is all that. is why you need to get the right heads and on decking it the head gaskets are .040 thick .close to O on the deck is what you want . you can not find the small ccc head gaskets tech like said. so you do not have many ways to go
okay what performance heads would you recomend? to stay at pump gas compression?
Find all the pistons that are available and what configuration the crown is. Then find all the heads that are available and the chamber cc's. Mix and match until you find a combination that works for you.
Here's a piston that will yield 9.4 with 108 cc chambers and 8.5 with 119 cc chambers....
http://kb-silvolite.com/performance....tails&P_id=105
i am done with you gave you the gm head numbers if you do not want them then you need to find the cc of you think that you want and get custom pistons. you are making this way to hard and i gave you what i think ?so do it the way you want i am thinking you do not know very much .do get mad but i can not help you i am telling you how to do it and not make it hard and you will not hear or you do not know and i can help only so much
Pat, you haven't asked the magic words yet.....
"Mad Hooker, would you like to buy my motor that is all worked out and assembled?"
:LOL:
i see that i am WRONG SOME SOB TOLD ME THAT THEY MAKE TWO TYPES OF PISTONS FOR THE 396-402 NOW they make 3 and they over sold them to me by $130 to much someone is goning to hear me and i will not be very happy :mad: and this is my ware house price on them and summit beat them:mad: boy some one is goning to get reamed out good. and on the engine i have i will sell it to any one. he will not build one for my price and now it is $130 less:whacked:
Actually, there are more than that. Summit lists the following:
Sterling/FM STL460P cast 30, 40, 60
TRW-L2240-NF forged std, 30, 40, 60
TRW-L2287-F forged 30, 60
TRW-L2242-F forged 30, 40, 60
Wiseco PT039-H3 forged
JE JEP-170703 forged
Ross ROS-83762 forged
yes i know that je and ross will make any thing but i did not want to spend $650+ on a set of je or ross this was a engine to sell not eat:LOL:and had a steel new l88 crank just could not put a set of cast pistons in it :HMMM: this was some fill in at the shop and play with. all the big bore stuff i do this is close as i wanted to get to a small block .and got it at a fair price. all the 454 blocks are drying up and thought it would be fun? built some over 25 year ago you know relive youth:LOL: that ross numer is no good for 4.280 bore 427 +30 or something is not right