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Heres where I got that price value from, just click it and print it then show it to the owner. http://nadaguides.com/Values/ValueCa...=1950&ColorId=
With the one I'm getting, I will most likely just restore it but, crank the engine HP up to about 150 so I could consider it a restorod.
Yeah well what I will do is bring that with me and then first tell him I will give him 2500 and if he say's no then I will say 2800 and that's the highest I will go. I will point out EVERY little detail to make the car look bad to lower the price. If he say's anything then I will just show him the paper and be like look here is says it's worth 3300 so drop the price some and I will buy it and if not then I don't wan't it. Plus it only has a crappy 6 cylinder and all in it.
If he's any kind of respectable person to deal with, he would let you have it for 2,500. As I said b4 those old str8 6's are tough reliable engines just not good performers so, as you said you would plan to do, swap it out with a 350 V8 and this would be the cheapest and best way to create a Hotrod. You may be able to get the car for less than 2,500 if you know how to talk price negotability or as my mom says it " Dickering with the price ", basicly look the car over, check the frame and then basiccly just start low like 2,000 and then work up the price, show him the paper but, act nice to him and try to treat him with respect cause, his impression he gets on you could affect his price negotabilllaty. All I can say is good luck and I hope you get it.
Thanks a lot man. Yeah the only problem is money. My dad said that he doesn't have the money but I told him that I might be able to come up with 600 bucks and MAYBE 800 and then I would pay him off. He said to go look at it with a friend tomarrow and then if I think it's in good shape then instead of wasting his time he will go look himself and decide to buy it or not. Hopefully it's not sold yet but I really wan't it now. I will just act as nice as I can and just be like yeah I don't have much money so I am going to have to get an old car and pay my parent's off and I have always wanted a car like that blah blah and just talk to him a bit. Then I will look over EVERY little detail like the frame and everything and look at the engine and see how clean it is or if it's all rusted up and oil leaking all over the place and if so then I will tell him 2000 bucks. I will see what he says if not then I will just stand there and say like 2400 then 2500 and stop there. If he says no then I will tell him 2600 or 2800 is lowest I will go and if he says no again I will give him my number and tell him that if he changes his mind to give me a call and let me know. Then that's when I start crying and go home. hah
What do you think about putting a 1 inch chop top on it and then shaving the handles off and putting suicide doors? I know you might say that it's up to me but either way, leaving it or chop top and shaved handles is good with me.
And just to let u know, you could probably sell the motor for 250-300 bucks if it is mechanicly sound, have him fire it up, listen for any nocking sounds. Ask him if you can feel the clutch depress and release, this can tell u if the clutch is good or not, it's got to feel nice and it should release smoothly, oh yeah, put it in reverse and move it back a foot or so then, do the same in a forward gear ( 1'st probably )
Yeah good idea man, any more tips? Also selling it is a good idea as well. But I might also just keep the engine in it until I blow it and then get rid of it. If not then I will clean it up nice and use Krylon and paint it and then just clean it up and sell it for around 300 or so depending on how clean it is, and same with the transmission.
Use Dupli Engine enamel, silver for the trans and, flat black for the engine itself ( it hides imperfections or scratches ), gloss black would bring the scraches out so they could be seen very easily. The motor shouldent need any attention other than cleaning cause it only has 58,000 on it, it may leak a little oil out of the seals but, I say that mainly because the engine is 54 years old. I'd recomend just buying a 350 and sticking it in there with a TH350 slushbox with a lokar nostalgia 23" shifter on the floor. With the old Chevy 6's you have to actully try to blow it up, they wont go pop on there own, specially with only 58,000 so, you could use the 216 in it until you had the money for a 350, just keep in mind that they only have 92 HP and the car is 3100 pounds so, it's gonna be slllllooooowww, not as slow as the automatic model with the 235 but, you'd probably be lucky if you got 75 MPH out of it.
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Thagt 216 is a babbit bearing motor. The bearings are poured into the rod as molten metal then sized to the crank size. I am here to tell you it can be blown up very easy, especially if you drive the heck out of it. (I know cause my first one a 52, I blew up in 8 months of ownereship.) If it is a good running motor drive it easy while you get your V8 and trans and rear end ready to go in the car. Then do the swap and sell the motor and trans and rear axle. You cannot use the closed drive line rear axle that is in the car with a modern trans. If it is a good runner put it in Hemmings or The Old Car Trader or what ever and let a restorer buy the motor and trans on rear, etc, etc, etc, Just that I give you a little info.
Also, I forgot to mention that the 216 will probably start hard, this is because being 6 volt system, there is less starting power and spark. You should go with Oldf100fordman's suggestion and drive the original motor easy just to make shure it was not going to blow.
yeah, I forgot to mention those babbit bearings are inheritly soft as they are poured on the metal rods and sized. On insert bearing like all modern motors have (including the 235 that came with the powerglides in those years) are much harder and last much longer.
Kewl, that means that the '50 chevy 4dr I'm getting woulden't have the bearing problem, cause it's got the 235 and Powerglide. Can you get performance parts for a 235 str8 6? I want to make a restorod and use all stock drivetrain but basicly, just rod the engine and restore the rest. I mistaked the 216 and the 235 cause I thought only the displacement changed, I did not know that the 216 had inferior bearing construction.
:D Yeah, that's the old rodder term for these old Chevy Sixes.
Speedway Motors in Lincoln, NE (www.speedwaymotors.com) has a dual carb intake and a trible carb intake for these engines. Also Offy finned aluminum
valve covers, mallory distributors and Fenton cast iron headers (wont rust or crack) I think Clifford Research (don't know their address) still has intakes, cams, headers, etc also. If you can find a stick set up for this vehicle that auto rearend is quite a bit numerically lower that a stick car and you can get decent speed out of the six banger. Hope any of this helps.
Thanks for the help.
got Clifford's url. http://www.cliffordperformance.com Good hunting. They got all kinds of six banger parts. :) :) :) :) :)
Just 1 more question, the guy that ownes the car says it needs a fuel pump diaphram but, will run, he says that all I would need to do is rebuild the pump, is rebuilding the pump somthing that I could do myself or should I seek a professional to do the job? Thanks for cliffords site, it's gonna help a lot.
Ay thanks a lot for the info man. I don't think I can go check the car now because my friend won't call back to take me and just dropped out on me. But yeah I wan't to try and check it out. I got a trailor so I would trailor the thing home. Also when I put a 350 or 454 in it I wan't to try and get aroung 450 to 500 horsepower... I know it will be lot's of money and all but this will be a yearly project or way longer so I will go buy a 350 or 454 and put it on the stand and work on it piece by piece with the 6 cylinder in the car still until I get the engine built. If I get the car then I plan on making a post for the car so people can post up ideas on how to get 450 to 500 horsepower and what parts to use or not use and tranny help and front and rear end help and how to get part's cheap. But anyways, ncranchero, I need help on finding this place where the car is. I here that it's 45 minutes from here and I don't know where to go. On Brookshire what free way do I take because isn't there like South and East one? I tried looking it up on Map Quest but can't find it. Any help on directions from providence near waxhaw would be great. Thanks.
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Just 1 more question, the guy that ownes the car says it needs a fuel pump diaphram but, will run, he says that all I would need to do is rebuild the pump, is rebuilding the pump somthing that I could do myself or should I seek a professional to do the job? Thanks for cliffords site, it's gonna help a lot.
As I recall those fuel pumps aren't hard to rebuild as they bolt the two halves together. But I wonder if you can find a diaphram kit at a parts store. Might be easier to find a complete rebuilt pump. I really haven't worked on these stovebolts since the 60's.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...submit=Get+Map
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...2fPUu6D1Y6s%3d
In the first map you will see the Lincoln/Gaston line. On the right there is a road called Oregon Trail. It's just past Oregon Tr on the right. There is a bright red Mercedes for sale on the left side of the road and the '50 is on the right. Can't miss it if you make it this far.
Geez, Waxhaw is farther out than I remember, haven't been there in years. You're near "Furnitue Factory Outlet World".
My god, don't judge NC by WAXHAW!
First map, do zoom level 8, third box down. It's NOT as ar down as the red star. Look for OREGON TRAIL right at the line.
Ok thanks again. Yeah well I don't live IN Waxhaw I live in weddington out side of waxhaw about 5 minutes from it. I don't live in the red neck area, it's all rich stuck up people around here. But thanks for the info man, I see that red car you are talking about in the picture you gave me. Do you know if the car is for sale still because now I have to wait until tomarrow or Friday to look at it since my damn friend never showed up to take me.
Was still there at 4:00 this afternoon.
If you want to do a good lok-her-oner you had better call the owner back. It doesn't belong to the people where the car is, it's only parked there for exposure. A note on the glass says not to bother the resident, he doesn't know anything about the car.
Yeah when I called the guy that's what he told me. He said that I can go look at it and if I wan't then give him a call when I get there because he is only 5 minutes away. Hopefully it won't sell before Friday because I have no clue what's going on tomarrow and most likely I can't go tomarrow and I will have to wait until Friday.
Why this slipped my mind I don't know. How about a 1953 F100 with a running flathead V-8? Hasn't been licensed since 1983, just sitting in the yard. He cranked it up a couple of times a year though. The good part, $900.00
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Nah, I like those trucks and all but looks like too much rust. I wen't today with my dad to look at the 50 Chevy and he said he doesn't wan't it. The frame underneath was rusted out, the whole entire underneath was rusted the whole inside of the bed the entire floor, the whold side panels near the back wheels were rusted and everything. There was no lining inside or nothing and it was just too much. My dad said that if it already had a 350 in it and a better tranny then maybe but he said that I won't have the kind of money to do what I wan't to it and not to buy it. So now I am going to have to just not buy it and wait. Might just wait until this summer or tomarrow he said he might take me to look at this old like 52 or 53 chevy truck just sitting in some red necks' field. He said that the guy has a lot of trucks sitting under all these trees and all near this huge really old house and they have been there for 4 years or however long we have been living here. He said there is not much rust and it has old primer on it so maybe it's not too bad. I would really like to have an older truck than that like a 36, 37 or 38 but I can't find ANY here near me. But suck's about that car though because I really like the style to it but oh well it was nice just for a almost 1 hour drive. We might head into South Carolina too soon because in Lancaster ( I think is the name) my dad said there are ton's of old car's just sitting around and some for sale..... ( I wish I could buy all the old car's I like though. hah) But yeah I got two or three more car's I will look at that I have in mind now and one some really old lady owns and she used to drive it a lot but now it sit's there and is getting green mold on it so I will ask her if she would. (it's worth a shot) But thanks a lot for letting me know about that car ncranchero, I appreciate the help. Yeah well in a way though it's good I didn't get that car since I don't really have the money and it also sucks, but what I am going to do is, I am going to buy an anodizing machine and maybe start anodizing stuff for people like engine parts, dirt bike parts, harley or motorcycle parts, or car emblems and thing's like that and make a bit of money and have a website and stuff and who know's maybe it will turn into something big if I decide to do more stuff.
you're pretty big on the words "sucks" and "stuff" aren't you?:D
Well your pretty big on making POINTLESS posts aren't you? What do you wan't me to do, be cool and cuss and get kicked off the boards?
whoa man. Didn't mean to get ya mad. :) Just having some fun is all.
Sorry to have offended you.
Yeah, after all, this guy sucks at making stuff that helps other people with their stuff and things, while you try to help people with their stuff, and that sucks!
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Yeah, after all, this guy sucks at making stuff that helps other people with their stuff and things, while you try to help people with their stuff, and that sucks!