can anyone help me with the id of this 4spd trans. the only part numbers i have are. case casting #3925661; tailshaft housing # 3857584 and a CC1 and 35817, i can not find a id number starting with a P. were would that be on this tranny?
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can anyone help me with the id of this 4spd trans. the only part numbers i have are. case casting #3925661; tailshaft housing # 3857584 and a CC1 and 35817, i can not find a id number starting with a P. were would that be on this tranny?
take a picture of the input shaft how many rings are on it? hope this stuff helps :D
Reading Serial and VIN Numbers
Serial numbers for Muncie 4 speeds always begin with the letter "P". P stands for Muncie Plant. Not for passenger car as some self proclaimed specialists may think. The letter M was used to ID the Muncie plant for the Muncie 3 speed, so P was the next logical letter. The letter O would add confusion since it resembles zero. The serial number is a date code the transmission was built for a particular year. Serial numbers from 1963 to 1966 included only the month and day. P0101 would indicate January 1st. From 1967 to 1968 the serial number got a year designator and a letter designator for the month such as P8A01, meaning January 1st 1968. One important point is that if you have a Muncie dated with a December build date it was actually built the prior year. An example would be the date code P8T13. This is for a 1968 production car. The T stands for December and 13 is the day. To confirm this simply look at the VIN number. It will usually begin with a 18S101350 or a 28N12950. This means the Muncie was assembled December 13, 1967 for the 1968 model year. The VIN number will usually be a low number. 1969 to 1974 Muncies got a ratio designator at the end of the serial number. An example would be P4D23B. This equates to April 23, 1974, M21 ratio.
Please note that there are 7 different Muncie input shafts. All 26 spline inputs came with 32 spline output shafts and all 10 spline inputs came with 27 spline output shafts. A common mistake is thinking that all "fine spline" 26 spline input shafts are M22 heavy duty types. This is not true. An M22 gearbox has a 20 degree helix angle on the gearset as opposed to a 30 degree angle. It's roughly a 10 degree difference. From time to time I get people disputing what exact angles are on the gears. Personally, I think the angles vary from gear to gear. 1st gear on an M22 may be 19 degrees, 3rd may be 20 degrees. Also M22 gear sets were of a higher nickel alloy. The straighter angle was designed to produce less end loading of the gear train and less heat but created more noise, thus the nickname "rockcrusher". The higher nickel alloy allowed for more impact of the gears. Another misconception is if you have a drain plug you have an M22. Again this was only true when the first M22 boxes were created. But all 3925661 castings had drain plugs.
Important Notes
Some input shafts produced by the aftermarket and General Motors have no identifying rings on them. The rings originally corresponded with rings or grooves on the counter gear so that the assembler matched a one or two ring input with a one or two ring cluster. When manufacturing was stopped, GM stopped making inputs with these marks, probably to save machining operations. Also 3831704 and 3851325 castings come with a 7/8" counter shaft all others come with a 1 inch counter shaft. There are some odd ball castings out there produced in 1963 to 1966 years. I've left them out since they really are not common.
Casting: 3831704 Years: 1963 Only Ratios: M20 2.56 1st , M21 2.20 1st
Casting: 3851325 Years: 1964 - 1965 Ratios: M20 2.56 1st , M21 2.20 1st
Casting: 3885010 Years: 1965 - 1967 Ratios: M20 2.52 1st , M21 2.20 1st, M22 2.20 1st
Casting: 3925660 Years: 1968 - 1970 Ratios: M20 2.52 1st , M21 2.20 1st, M22 2.20 1st
Casting: 3925661 Years: 1970 - 1974 Ratios: M20 2.52 1st , M21 2.20 1st, M22 2.20 1st
Input Shaft Tooth and Spline Count Related to Year
Year 1963-1965 Type: M20 Rings: None Spline: 10 Tooth Count: 24
Year 1966-1970 Type: M20 Rings: Two Spline: 10 Tooth Count: 21
Year 1970-1974 Type: M20 Rings: Two Spline: 26 Tooth Count: 21
Year 1963-1970 Type: M21 Rings: One Spline: 10 Tooth Count: 26
Year 1970-1974 Type: M21 Rings: One Spline: 26 Tooth Count: 26
Year 1967-1970 Type: M22 Rings: None Spline: 10 Tooth Count: 26
Year 1969-1974 Type: M22 Rings: None Spline: 26 Tooth Count: 26
Ratios of the M20 , M21 , M22
Year 1963-1965 Type: M20 Rings: None Ratio: 2.56 / 1.91 / 1.48 / 1.00 / 3.16
Year 1966-1974 Type: M20 Rings: Two Ratio: 2.52 / 1.88 / 1.46 / 1.00 / 3.11
Year 1963-1974 Type: M21 Rings: One Ratio: 2.20 / 1.64 / 1.28 / 1.00 / 2.27
Year 1967-1974 Type: M22 Rings: None Ratio: 2.20 / 1.64 / 1.28 / 1.00 / 2.27
Month Code Chart
January Letter: A May Letter: E September Letter: P
February Letter: B June Letter: H October Letter: R
March Letter: C July Letter: K November Letter: S
April Letter: D August Letter: M December Letter: T
Ratio Code Chart
Letter: A M20 Ratio
Letter: B M21 Ratio
Letter: C M22 Ratio
these are some other pictures. i have looked all over the casing for a P identification and can not find one what other avenues may i have?Attachment 37000
Attachment 37001
Attachment 37002
I think this came out of a corvette as I remember it from years ago the speedo on a pass car is on the left and corvette on the right. of course I could be wrong. as I frequently am. I now this dosent anser the m22 question but ? ...ted
Mine is located at the RH lower corner of the linkage cover
Any luck with your muncie? I also have the same tranny, it is an M22 with no letter P, I have searched endlessly for info on the net but this thread was all I could find. Been makin' me crazy......
