I found that not only was the problem that I needed "cheaters", but the glare of the arc, even through a 12 or 13 was "dazzling", like night blindness - I have a heck of a time at night in heavy oncoming traffic. I talked it over with the eye Doc, and he suggested I use a polarized shaded lens cheater, and a lighter shade in my helmet. I got a pair of polarized "close up" glasses made in a shade about half as dark as my regular dark glasses, and experimented until I settled on an eight to a ten in my helmet flip glass, and it helped a lot. With good work lighting, I can still see the work fine through the clear for inspecting or picking and brushing. As an added benefit, I can use the cheaters when working on something closeup outdoors; they cut the glare pretty well, although not as much as my regular dark glasses.