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Peace,
i know the only way to buy real lead gas is importing it. but i dont want to have to pay to much for lead gas. i plan on using additives or substitutes there is a difference! but i want to use real lead gas. i dont want to pay 3 bucks for a gallon lead gas at a race track! any other suggestions?
Peace,
that is not an option for me. its a 57 not 2004 it was ment to brn lead. still open for suggestions.
Peace,
i dont care if its illegal on the highway as long as it isnt illegal to burn period i will slam the talk of leaded gas down the gas tank. can anyone find me a mexican or canadian company where i can buy lead fuel for my Betsy?
why not put hardened valve seats in it thats why i ahd to do :mad: damn government. bastids. :whacked:
If you're not going to race it or do heavy towing you don't need it. It's a valve seat/face temperature thing. Normal driving won't be a problem.
I just read about an additive called Max Lead 2000 with Tetraethyl Lead. Also read about something called Lead Supreme 130, also an additive.
mike
Peace,
can you tell me where i can get this stuff. i have never ehard of it! please i would love to know more! but i hope there isnt alot of actually lead in it!
later
Go to your local airport and buy yourself some AvGas. It is leaded and I think is around 100 octane. You'll be looking at a price of around $3.00-$3.50 a gallon. My prices might be a little dated.
For pre-1992 cars designed to run on leaded petrol there are two possible problems if they are to be run on premium unleaded.
Firstly, there will be a loss of about two 'octane numbers' from the older four-star leaded and the LRP that replaced it. This will generally be barely noticed although ignition timing might have to be reset to avoid any tendency to detonation (or 'pinking').
Secondly, if the engine has valve seats cut directly into a cast-iron cylinder head or block, the loss of the protective effect of the lead compounds means that under conditions of hard, high-speed use, erosion of the seats can occur.
If the seats recede by more than the pre-set valve clearances, the valves will overheat and severe damage will result.
The long-term answer is to have hard-alloy valve seat inserts installed.
But if ya really got to have it, I believe this is the ONLY lead additive out there http://www.batterystuff.com/fuel/lea...supreme130.htm
Like Bob said, you don't need leaded gas for normal driving. Your car doesn't burn lead. It's used as a lubricant for the valve seats.You can find lead substitute additives in the automotive section of any Wal-Mart or other department stores. Go read the labels. I use Alemite CD2 in cars that were designed for leaded gas. It's been a while since I used it but I think it takes 1 ounce per tankful of gas. Some others require a whole bottle per tankful. I only used it when I was going to drive more than an hour at highway speeds. You don't need it for driving to school and back or around town.
Irving has a lot of gas stations in Canada but I think it's illeagal for them to sell it in Nebraska. If they could sell you avgas or racing fuel you would have to buy it in bulk. Do you have a place to store $5000 worth of the stuff?
thay have a lead additive at any auto zone store that is just for your problem.
Peace,
i will stick to vikings reply! lead was put in the older cars all teh time for a reason! i just want my car to feel comfortable. scence i have to drive it at 60+ miles per hour on my way to work everyday 15 miles away! and i want my car to be as original as posable. will not accept otherwise UNLESS i have ABSOLUTLY no choise. money is NOT varable in this. so i am pleased to hear about this LEADED additive!
later
Max Lead 2000 contact.
Jack Podell 219 232 6430.
$9.50 a qt.
mike
Just found this website for Supreme 130.
www.kemcooil.com
mike
I am writting a paper for school how they should put lead back into gasoline. I all ready know that lead lubercates the valves. I need to know other good stuff about leaded gasoline.
thanks,
Matt
http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/Lead_How.htm:(Quote:
Originally posted by 48fordguy
I am writting a paper for school how they should put lead back into gasoline. I all ready know that lead lubercates the valves. I need to know other good stuff about leaded gasoline.
thanks,
Matt
If the engine had been run on leaded fuel before, & the heads havent been given a valve job since that time, there is already lead imbedded into the seats, youll be just fine running unleaded.
There is no way you could propose a good argument to put lead back in gasoline. It just cushons valve seats and takes a tiny bit of extra effort to build them tough enough to do without. That's it. The alternative is saving 2 bucks on cylinder heads and in the process coating the entire PLANET in a layer of poisonous lead. Lead kills lots of things, there's a reason they banned it.
Advocating the mass usage of lead is like arguing to re-institute the usage of DDT. Remember that stuff, it worked great on bugs, unfortunately it worked a little too well and killed everything else in the process.
If we burned lead gas for the past 20 years at our current world wide oil consumption rate (80 million barrels a day) there wouldn't be a place in the whole country where you could drink well water.
ohh boo hoo :LOL:
well. . . .as tough as it is to rebut a statement as well thought out and eloquently spoken as that, I think all would agree:
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How's it feel?
tcodi - 2Quote:
Originally posted by tcodi
well. . . .as tough as it is to rebut a statement as well thought out and eloquently spoken as that, I think all would agree:
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How's it feel?
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How big is the sacrifice to give up lead? Seems to be a no brainer. :)
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Originally posted by Streets
Upgrade the heads and valves to use Unleaded or go to Canada/Mexico where they have Leaded fuel!! Ain't no racetracks around here that I know of that even sell gas!!
Leaded fuel in Canada???
None here senore'........................I think they outlawed it here, before they did in the US
what was that crap for? you people know me i was being a smartass :LOL
Oh comeon streets. You of all people should know to Trust or great Govt in every way!:LOL:
I know it wasn't harmful to humans, it was killing all the birds in the areas of use. Not that I'm some kind of bird guy or something, but you can't knowingly wipe out a portion of the food chain.
i use a lead additive made by GUNK it seems to work pretty well and its only about 1.50 or so.
Some information and history about leaded gasoline can be found here.
http://www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/ethylwar/
just as a side note our parents and our parent's parents used lead gas and paint there not dead from it.
............... and how many cars were on the road back when your parents and parents parents drove compared to today?Quote:
Originally posted by gassersrule_196
just as a side note our parents and our parent's parents used lead gas and paint there not dead from it.
It doesn't just protect valve seats. It significantly raises octane, protecting cyclinders/pistons without need to retard timing and lose power.Quote:
Originally posted by tcodi
There is no way you could propose a good argument to put lead back in gasoline. It just cushons valve seats and takes a tiny bit of extra effort to build them tough enough to do without. That's it.
Your alarmism re killing off all the birds and poisoning the planet is not worth addressing.
see my above post to tcodi.
I have to speak out on DDT's behalf. DDT is perhaps the safest and most effective pesticide ever used. It is so safe, that for many years, it was sprayed directly onto people to kill lice as well as over large residential areas to kill mosquitos. Nobody was ever harmed by it. Do you hear of malaria much anymore? DDT is still used in every other country but the US and is responsible for the reduced instances of malaria. Many jungle countries spray the jungle with DDT to kill mosquitos with little harm to other species. There are 2 reasons DDT was outlawed, it doesn't biodegrade rapidly, and it weakened the egg shells of birds. It was not outlawed because it was poisonous or harmful to humans.
Back in the late fifties the scientists were predicting that the next ice age was just around the corner, now it's global warming. What happened to the ice age that was supposedly imminent? **)
Question:
Can you run lead in a non-emissions (no convertor or sensors or egr) engine with heads that have the hardened seats?
Is there any benefit if you can?:confused:
Streeter:
1. yes
2. no, if its a street engine
thanks for clearing that up.Quote:
Originally posted by robot
Streeter:
1. yes
2. no, if its a street engine
:)
The DDT scare was long ago proven to be based on junk science.Quote:
Originally posted by 76GMC1500
, and it weakened the egg shells of birds.
The following article only scratches the surface of the fraud perpetrated by the National Audubon Society (scrill down about 10 paragraphs) ---
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,28870,00.html
Thanks for shedding some light on this topic. (BTW, I'm sure you meant to say it was NOT "poisonous to humans" in your post.
ha I ate a lot of lead paint when i was a kid and i feel fine but i can not remember much ?.........hum ok lead mite not be to good for humans:whacked:
Hemihitter70, that is a very interesting article about DDT. I was not aware of the pre-DDT decline of hawks and eagles. Still many of these issues are caused by over use and unthinking policies. I am just trying to calibrate on a sensible analysis of what you are saying relative to two instances. I did work for a short time for National Lead back when they were still making lead-based Dutch Boy paints in a quality control lab. Lead oxide is made by literally burning lead. Lead ingots are stacked in a sort of fire-brick igloo and a heating oil flame is focused on the stack of ingots. They first melt to a silvery puddle and then start to form a yellow-gray powdery crust as air (oxygen) is blown through the liquid and it is stirred by a rotating paddle. It takes many hours as the lead combines with oxygen to form first PbO, PbO2 and eventually red-lead Pb3O4 which can be used in auto batteries as well as for rust protection paint. The guys who work in that factory would come into my lab and use my beakers for coffee cups even though I had just used them for lead tests, and it only took about one month in that environment before I developed black feces, the first sign of lead poisoning. Lead can be removed from your body with injections of EDTA which clings to the lead and releases it in urine but the EDTA injections feel very "hot" when you get them. In another clinical comment, a local plant in the Richmond area made a compound similar to DDT, namely Kepone, which is good for killing fire ants but again the main point is that factory workers making the stuff and walking around in 4" of it on the floor and in their lunch room developed severe persistant tremors. Unfortunately that led to a 20 year ban on fishing in the James river because the Kepone would collect in fish in the river and that basically wiped out the fishing industry on the tidal part of the James. It is believed that large quantities of Kepone are still buried in the river mud and whenever there is a storm the Kepone levels in the river rise. In both these cases it is a matter of amount. Too much is too much but for a while in the late 1940s DDT was used heavily for every application imaginable involving unwanted insects. Allowing that FOX news tends to be conservative and the Audobon Society more liberal it is not easy to sort out the truth but my answer would be to carefully control the amounts used and certainly maybe the West Nile virus may justify renewed use of DDT. In a humorous vein I note I used to have a '66 Ranchero which was pretty beat up but my fun idea was to have an eblem of the Kepone molecule painted on the doors with the motto "Kepone Trucking", but alas a tree fell on the roof of the Ranchero and my wife judged it to be beyond repair and we were luckyto sell it, but maybe someday I can put Kepone Trucking on a pickup truck
Don Shillady
Retired Scientist/teen rodder!
Much more dignified than the motto I had (briefly) on the driver's door of my 52 Pontiac in 64 -- "High Tone Son Of A B*tch."Quote:
Originally posted by Don Shillady
maybe someday I can put Kepone Trucking on a pickup truck
Thanks for the thoughtful post, Don.
Two thoughts ---
**Everything** -- even water or oxygen -- is poison if taken in excess.
Birds should not work in industrial plants.
(Ok, I lied -- three thoughts) --
Believe no one who isn't provably neutral in all his views, even if his facts check out.
(Alright, I lied again. I don't really believe that last one and I'm pretty sure you don't either.)
Sorry about your Ranchero. I recently saw a 64 Cad somebody had chopped into a Ranchero wannabe. Shall I put in a bid for you?
Regards,
HH70