I've run into several people that call a 351 Cleveland a big block. Now, I've always called it a small block, when its probably or actually a medium block. But, I've gone round and round about this with some of the Chevy guys. Now, since it bolts up to a small block tranny and the motor mounts from a 289/302 are the same for the 351 Cleveland..what determines that this is a small block or a big block? I bet we'll have some fun with this one!!
~ Vegas ~
That's why chebbie only got two sizes, easier for the chebbie guys to know and they don't get so confused.
The Cleveland as well as the "M" series is a small block, the bore spacings are the same as Windsors. alot of people seem to think its a big block because of the canted valve heads.
What determines a big or small varys slightly from manufacurer to manufacturer. Olds & Pontiac for example, the biggest differance is the deck heights of the blocks.
A small block is smaller than a big block. :D
Dave; It's You chebbie guys that are confused, not us ford Guys. I just wanted to hear a chebbie Guy agree that the cleveland is a small block. HE! HE! You chebbie Guys are killing me,I didn't say beating me,Just killing me.HE! HE! Dave just kiddin with you I have seen your awesome ranchero, By the way I'm flying to las vegas thursday to pick up a 1965 ranchero. I'm driving it back home to florida.
~ Vegas ~;)
Vara if you look, Im pretty much a Chevy guy...not that I dont like Fords, I like pretty much all of em, just partial to Chevy. John
Uncle Bob.."A small block is smaller than a big block"....Damn.!!!..Ya just learn sumpin new around here every day.!!!......Now I don't have to ponder anymore..:whacked: :whacked: ...but then again..:confused: .........?
Stepside 454; I knew this would be like stirring up the old hornets nest. But you got right in there and made my point for me. I've fought with some of my chevy friends over this time and time again. My one friend bought some high doller heads with 2.02 intake valves,that he plans on racing at the lake land drag strip. When I seen them,all I did was say those intakes look a little small are all chevy valves that small. Man-o-man you'd of thought that I had just set him on fire. HE! HE! He said well I ain't runnin no big block like you. I then said I ain't runnin no big block,I'm runnin a small block cleveland. Then I told him that the cleveland 2V heads have a 2.05 intake valve. He told me well your heads ain't much bigger then mine. Then I really started laughing, and told him that I was runnin the 4V heads that have a 2.19 intake valve. Now he stated he didn't care what I said that the cleveland was a big block, then he stormed off. Well I get the same reaction from alot of my chevy friends. I even have another friend that races round asphalt tracs and he said that he ain't never seen them let a 351 cleveland race against a chevy 350 class. HE! HE! I then told him, thats because the chevy boys cry to much cause they can't win a race. So he got mad and left.
I don't know why them chevy boys are getting so mad, I mean after all it's not my falt Ford built such a good motor. HE! HE!
~ Vegas ~ :LOL: :LOL: :D :LOL: :LOL:
Sticks and stones will break my bones ....but your Ferd words will never hurt me.!!.....HEY.!!.I'm a poet..:LOL: ....and don't know it...WOW.!..there I go again.......and then there was this man from Nantucket.......oh never mind.........:whacked: :whacked:
Just realize that a big valve also covers up the hole the air must come in through.
You chebbie Guys get Funnier and Funnier every minute. HE! HE!
~ Vegas ~:rolleyes: :LOL:
gads, I just read here that vara called ME a chebbie guy!!!! Talk about stickin a dagger in a Blue Oval guys heart!!!! Wish he would of done sumpin less vicious like bad mouth my sister. On a different note, Bob could we then safely assume that a big block is bigger???
geez vera. Me a chebbie guy. What a horrible thought. Think I got grounds for a libel suit here.....defamation of charachter. Maybe retain Inline and Streets as legal team, they're both kinda scary.......mumble......mumble......mumble.....depression......
Dave;I'm sorry, that was hitting below the belt. HE! HE! The chevy guy's had me all worked up, and beides if the chebbie Guys can use excuses so can I, what I mean is fair is fair right. Hey when my one chebbie friend said that my intake valves were not that much Bigger then his I allmost fell over. I wanted to tell him to go ask his girl friend,if size really matters? I bet she knows the right answer! HE! HE! But I figured he was already paying the price,by getting those high doller chebbie small valve heads. Heck I thought that Mr Mustang would jump in here and give me some help with some of these chebbie Guys. I know he loves them there Fords, Bill is probably tired of hearing the chebbie guys crying all the time too! HE! HE! HE!
~ Vegas ~ :LOL: :LOL: :D :LOL: :LOL:
FORD==Fabricated Outta Recycled Dodges..:LOL: ................What ya mean there Blue Oval Dave.??....Scary.??....I mean...er.....ah.......:whacked: .........I've never been "retained"....."detained"....yes... but never "retained"....Hell I don't even know what that means.!!.....The Ole Sarge tried to "retrain"me once but gave up about twenty ago.:whacked: ...She says ya can't retrain...detain...refrain...re..anything one that is demented....Not sure what that means either..:whacked: .....Scary..maybe demented...but always "Inline".....Hardy Har Har..:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :whacked:
Yawn. Good to see you got some new power for the lawn mower Streets. Spring will be here soon. Gotta meet up wit ya someday and hopefully put another notch in the Blue Oval win list.... Maybe we should plan to meet at Goat's in Detroit and settle this whole thing out on Woodward. If we had been born many years earlier, spose we would of been gunfighters????? Tee Hee Hee