Has anyone used these headlights with built in LED turn signals? I believe the brand is TPI Tech. A stock '35 coupe headlight is 7" correct?
http://www.yogisinc.com/Detail.cfm/-...30/product.htm
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Has anyone used these headlights with built in LED turn signals? I believe the brand is TPI Tech. A stock '35 coupe headlight is 7" correct?
http://www.yogisinc.com/Detail.cfm/-...30/product.htm
I have used them on my last two builds. they are high priced but they are bright and well built.
Unless your '35 buckets have a sealed beam conversion kit in them they are not setup for a standard 7" based headlight.
bruce lee - good feedback...thanks
Bob - I am not sure what all a sealed beam conversion entails...could you elaborate a bit? Does it have to do with the wiring? That should be taken care of with the new harness.
Okay, I don't have exactly the right hardware on hand to show you what yours might look like, but this should do it. The first is a '41 commercial headlamp assy that resembles the '35 but came from the factory with seal beams. The part to note here is the retainer ring that clamps around the circumfrance of the bulb to hold it in. The stainless bezel goes over this to hide it. The second pic is a backside shot of the internal "bucket" that holds the bulb, notice the notches that match up with the "tits" (highly technical term) on the back of the bulb to ensure proper clocking. If you've got seal beams this would be inside the light housing to seat the bulb in, it may look somewhat different, but function the same. These are normally made to fasten to the face flange of the light housing.
ok maybe this wasn't such a 'quick headlight question' :LOL:. my buckets are definately not set up for sealed beam.
Bob- I did some searching and found a post you made 4 years ago..
"I'm going to reply as if you have stock '39 assemblies, don't know you well enough to know if you know that they are or not. The '39 was not a sealed beam set-up, so you can't just drop in a sealed beam bulb, even the new ones with the built in signal. However, Vintique makes a halogen conversion kit that has a signal bulb adapted to the reflector unit. All the major parts suppliers e.g. C.W. Moss (in your back yard), Yogi's, Speedway, Parr, and so on, are dealers for Vintique so you can get them just about anywhere vintage Ford parts are sold. Here's a link that shows the kit, it's the last item on the page; http://www.cwmoss.com/accesscat/15.htm "
On that link they have a halogen conversion kit. This would use the stock 35 parts for halogen lighting, correct? That would be fine except then I still don't have turn signals. The quartz halogen reflector kits below the conversion kit do not say if they are sealed beam (just that they fit any make or model car :rolleyes:). Would this work in place of the $175 kit or will I still have the same sealed beam problem. I like the idea of the LED turn signals too because the tail lights are LED...this kit is bulbs. Is there a sealed beam conversion kit or do I just have to scrounge parts? Thanks!
If you take that CW Moss link again, you'll see the third option "....halogen reflector kit" offers both ways; just head light or head light with signal. These are pretty much direct replacements for your existing reflectors and come with retainer clips and three prong pigtails if they're like the ones I put in the coupe. For the signal function they have a hole drilled in the reflector (toward the bottom if I remember correctly) that will hold a second socket with amber bulb, don't think they're LED though.
I don't have a ready reference to link, but someone also makes a turn signal add on kit that consists of a bracket that mounts under the H4 bulb base that has a socket and wiring that enables you to add signals to the basic halogen setup. I suspect most hot rod part suppliers would have access to that kit too.
They don't seem to be LED Bob, but that would be fine by me. The only reason I went with LED in the back is so no one runs into me :HMMM:. They are much cheaper and will go directly into my buckets. What is the difference/advantage/disadvantage to sealed beam though?
FYI, I used a kit with a standard bulb (not LED), and it wasn't bright enough to see when the headlights were on. Just my experience.
I heard that compliant in my search Jack. Any solution or do you just deal with it? Turn the headlights off at night when you're turning? :LOL:
The sealed beam head light was widely adopted by the automotive industry in 1940. The older design, multi piece (separate lense, reflector, bulb) head light suffered from contamination from dirt and moisture. The lense would become obscured on the inside, the bulb dirty, and the reflector would deteriorate, all reducing the ability of the bulb to light effectively. The sealed beam cured all that, and the 7" bulb became standard for all new auto production. In the latter '50's when quad headlights became a styling feature a smaller size was adopted as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by 35fordcoupe
I installed halogen headlights and separate turn signals, then I threw the kit away. I know people have made this work, but it wasn't worth the effort to me once the first kit didn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by 35fordcoupe
Ok so a sealed beam headlight sounds better in all ways, but on a weekend driver in nice weather maybe it wouldn't matter so much. Yogis has a pair of halogen standard headlights with a seperate kit that allows for turn signals to be put inside the reflector, but it has a little surround that goes over the amber bulb inside the reflector. It looks tacky from what I can tell. I wonder though if the CW Moss kit would look the same. I guess the amber would have to be seperated from the headlight when they're both on. The other thing that caught my attention was that they listed a '35 as having 8" headlights. Are they 7" or 8"? I will not be able to measure for a while.
That's discouraging Jack, but maybe I will have to look around at how people are mounting seperate turn signals.
So there is no kit produced with everything to convert a bucket for sealed beam?
Here's one source;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1935-...item439f5d8ea6
Yeah, 8" is about what a 35/6 light housing measures.
Does that kit just drop into the stock bucket. It doesn't seem like a big problem, but I'm curious why I would have to resort to a 70 year old kit. An internet search doesn't seem to come up with anything of relevance.
If the 35 and 36 measures 8" then it doesn't seem like the 7" kit with LED turn signals would work anyway. Am I right? Sorry for all the questions..
There are currently made kits that have similar hardware, they typically run $75-85 bucks. The challenge is finding the stainless outer bezels, that's why I have the later model commercial units, it gives me all the parts.
As for filling the 8" hole, look at the "buckets", they have a flange that fills that space, but again, you need the bezels to complete the deal, and to my knowledge nobody is making those......probably because the market is too small.
Where's the quick you "promised"?:LOL:
:o That's the problem with being a newbie..just when I think I figured something out 10 more question come up. :whacked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
ready for it?...How is the stock '35 stainless outter bezel different from the one I would need to use with a sealed beam converstion? So that old kit on ebay is basically the same as a newer $75-85 kit? Where are those offered? I found nothing online. Does anyone have a picture of a standard, non sealed beam headlight so I can make sure I know what I have?
Thanks :)
Look at the pic of the '36 3w in my gallery, click the bigger 101 kb size. The '35 lights are very similar though their lense is not as much convex shape. The problem is the opening of the stock bezel is about 7 1/2" and doesn't roll in enough to mate up to the nearly flat sealed beam shape.
I did a search yesterday and found several ads that showed hardware similar to the one on ebay I linked, but for some reason I can't find them today, must have forgotten what search parameter I typed in. The closest I can come is this; https://www.chevsofthe40s.com/shop/s...kip=440&Max=40 it's about 1/3 of the way down the page and doesn't show the component detail, just the finished light assembly, but it's the same description I saw yesterday elsewhere.
With all this back and forth you can see why most people use the halogen/reflector conversions. Unless you can find the commercial units I referenced earlier, but then the going price (at least a year or so ago) was around $200 for those. Besides, the originals look better to me.
I am familiar with the 35 vs. 36 headlights. I hadn't really remembered about some of these newer kits being less convex shape to them. Do the regular halogen reflectors have a similar shape to the stock 35 ones? In other words when doing just a halogen convertion are people able to use stock trim rings?
I am now leaning towards doing the halogen conversion with or without turn signals built in, but doing the sealed beam/LED turn signal kit is getting pricey with the sealed beam conversion kit on top of the $175 reflectors. I am going to a car show this weekend so I'll stop by the vendors and see what they have as well as take a closer look at some cars.
Thanks Bob...If I had not stopped by here first I would have ordered the ones w/ LEDs and I would have probably been boxing them back up to send back. :rolleyes:
I had forgotten about this company, another alternative: http://www.headwinds.com/mm5/merchan..._Code=02010205
Bob- I am unsure what this kit is actually an adaptor for? :confused:. The description is not very clear...at least to me, but they also don't list the '35 anyway just '36. ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob Parmenter
So after all this talk about sealed beam conversions and after buying the Vintique kit I was looking through old parts preparing to reintall some things and I decided to take a look at the old headlights. The first thing that caught my attention was "sealed beam" on the lense. Then looking at the rest of it it looked like I may already have a sealed beam conversion. Keep in mind that during this discussion I did not have access to the old headlights and it has been about 4 years since I last looked at them. Bob or anyone else, could you confirm what I have here? Thanks!
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Yup, that would be very similar to the one I first showed on this thread. Just remember, we're laughing WITH you, not at you...............;)
it's ok, you can laugh at me :o. I just remembered that the bucket had not been modifed in a permanent way (like I thought it would have been) and...well you know what they say when you assume..
I would still have the problem of the trim rings so I'll just use the headlights I bought and keep these stashed away to maybe use another time.
Thanks!
Ok so after actually opening the box for the Vintique halogen reflector conversion kit I ordered, I realize it does not include lenses (it does not say it does on the site, my mistake :rolleyes:) and they want $42 for those. At that point I'm in $140 and I may as well get the kit with the LED turn signals for $175 now that I know I have a sealed beam conversion already anyway :o.
So what I need to know or at least feel better about before I order is whether or not the LED kit posted in the first post in this thread will fit with my stock trim rings? Bob- you have me thinking about whether or not I would need new trim rings. If I do I will just order the lenses for the kit I have and be done with it. I called Yogi's and they did not know..
You probably need to start by measuring the ID of the trim rings you've got if you haven't already (and probably should make sure they fit the housings you've got while you're at it). If they're bigger than the 7" for the seal beams then you've got to decide whether you want to hunt down some that do fit the seal beams or the originals. If what you've got are the originals then it may make more sense (and maybe fewer bucks?) to go with the reflector kit/stock style lense knowing that you'll probably have slightly shorter light beam than with the sealed beams. I don't have any '35 parts to measure for you as all the pieces I have are '36 or '40+ commercial (which fit the '36 housing). If you want those dimensions once you've checked what you've got I can do that for you after Sunday when I get back up north.
Edit: after looking at the last pictures you've got up of the seal beam conversion there's one other possible alternative. I can't tell for sure because it's a side shot, but it appears you may have a "filler ring" to make up for the difference between the 7" seal beam and the stock trim ring (that black piece)? If so you can swing either way if you don't mind that look.
What you call the filler ring in the last post I believe you referred to as the retainer ring earlier in this thread if you are talking about the same piece than I think you are right that that ring takes up the space between the lense and the trim ring (looking at it from the front). If I have the right image in my head I can see that black ring being visable when its all together. Is that what you mean at the end of you post when you say if you don't mind that look? That is not ideal, but something I could probably live with. The whole sealed beam assembly that was on there did not fit that great at all really. I need to see if I can adjust it (probably further into the bucket) so that the trim ring is more centered around the lense. I hadn't even thought of the inner diameter of the trim rings being too large so I will have to measure that this weekend.
All that said, what I was trying to ask in my last post was not about the diameter, but the curve of the trim rings vs. the curve of the lense. It seems like some of the newer lenses are very flat while the ring curves out more and may not contact the newer aftermarket lense. Am I making sense with that? I think this came up a bit earlier in the thread. I realize you may not actually know that answer to that not being familiar with this particular kit with the LED turn signals, but you have given such great responses to this point I figured I would give it a shot or maybe drag someone in with first hand experiense with this kit :)
Thank you!
Yes, you've got the idea on the filler/retainer ring. I agree, you may have to play with the pieces some to get them to fit neatly. As for the black color you can go other ways on finish. If you're going with polished stainless original bezels then you could have those rings chrome plated. If you're going to paint the bezels body color, then the rings would almost disappear painted likewise. Or similar concepts whatever other ideas you might have.
As for the curvature match up I'm a little lost on what your concern is. Here's a picture of one of my '36 headlights. In this case the lense is very curved and the bezel sort of flat. That sounds like the opposite of what you're describing, but '35 is different. Maybe a picture of what you're concerned about would help.