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All of the pipes I have butt welded for my turbo piping, I have used JC whitney, heartthrob manderel bent pipes in 2.5", butt welded w/ 60/13 stick, using a 110 arc welder, on 100 amp. welds get good penetration, and look decent and fairly uniform, but when I test them w/ water, they always seem to seep out water, like the welds just get wet. what can I do to prevent this? it's going to be under 8 PSI and I'd rather not have preassure drop.
welds are porous cold start up and stop will make this happen and any fluxs entrapment and bad fit up light tight and tig them works the best . i have spent many hours with fitup the more time on this the better the job. get them tig by some one would be the way to go
Yup, all the things Pat said. Mig is ok for exhaust, but on intake tubes, especially pressurized by a turbo, tig is the only way to go. There might be some folks who can stick weld them and not have leaks, but it takes some very good welding skills to do it!!!
hardest thing to weld is tube or pipe i ground my welding table and set the joint up for a ligth tight fit up after tack in the 3 spots. i roll the tub with one hand and tig weld with the other with no filler rodQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
IDK anybody with a Mig or a tig. is there any type of sealer I could use, like a plastic filler? Smooth my welds, apply the filler, sand until smooth and then paint? pipes will be painted black or silver, shiny ither way.
None that I know of. About the only way I know of is to take it to a welding shop and hire it done.
you could try to brazes them joins over if clean should flow in just only heat the tube to get the rod to flow no more... then clean the joint good to get all glass flux out of joint and use filler and paint .it would be very hard to seal the out side with just filler you would want it on the inside getting push in not on the out side getting blown out of the joints
.....As Pat & Dave said Tig is the best way.... But if all you have is an arc welder & you don't want to pay someone to do it, you might try putting a back up piece inside the tubing. Example is if the tubing is 2 1/2" ID then put a piece of 2 1/2" OD {1/2" wide} inside to back up the weld. Run it hot & roll the pipe like Pat said so that your always welding in the flat position. Or put a piece of 2 1/2" ID on the outside if your using 2 1/2" OD tubing. Two lap joints might be easier for you to weld than 1 butt joint.... Or you might try rolling the tubing doing the welding all uphill or all downhill.... just a thought...... But again, as Pat & Dave said, Arc welding pipe/tubing is about as hard as it's going to get!!! Bill
ps, don't know what size rod your using but 3/32" rod is easier to control than 1/8".....
3/32" the welder ( Century brand, 100 amp max, 110v ) won't burn anything bigger.
Yea, I was thinking it would need sealed from inside. what about gas tank sealer, might that work? slosh it all around, dump out and clean ends?Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
Thats what I was thinking.... But you would have to have a way to clean the inside of the pipe GOOD..... you don't want it flaking off into the manifold ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt167
MM64 :toocool:
It doesn't last all that good in a tank, doubt it would do well in a pressurized tube. Anything that would break loose in the tube is going to go through the engine, could make the price of hiring someone to weld it cheap compared to the price of grenading the engine cause something went through it!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt167
i think some one would have a hi to mid heat epoxy that would be made to do just what out want but. may be much cheaper to do it over .how many joints and what size is the tube? if not to many welds and not to long just send it to me i will weld it with new tubes used the old ones for patterns.weld it up for you .and be very fair with you like pay for my gas and filler rod and my lunch :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt167
Yea. I'm gonna find a welder. I got thinking, if that stuff let loose, it wouldn't be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson
Put it in a box and send it to Pat!!!! You sure as heck can't beat a deal like he offered!!!! Go search and take a look at the headers he builds!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt167
for right now, I just have 2 joints, but I'll have 5 or 6 when done ( but I'm going to make 2 pipes and peice them togther w/ a sewer couplar, for ease of installation ). it's all 2.5" manderal bent.Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
not that hard for me .will stand by what i said .if you want to take my offer just trying to help you out :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt167
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Originally Posted by Matt167
Matt.....Why not just take the time to do it right????? Tack the tubes together and send them to Pat!!!!!
I might just do that. I have to at least, cut, fit and fab all the pipes first, but b4 that, I gotta put the oil galley plug in I left out ( behind timing gear ), and fix my oil preassure problem first.
what I meant by the sewer couplars tho is, if I left the turbo to intercooler pipe 1 peice, I would have to snake the entire thing thru the front panal/ rad support , which would be hard, so I'll make 2 pipes, have them meet in the middle.
could I tack the pipes in 4-6 places tho, so the pipes could be re used? I kno the 1 pipe I made, is wasted, I can grind on it to see if I can get it apart, and reQuote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
tack, but I doubt I'll get it.
send me the old ones and new tube or the money to cover the tube and i will cut it ,fit it ,weld it , and used the old ones as a pattern for the new ones if not to bad i can run thru your old weld and re weld if there is room it will get shorter but that would have alot to do with how many welds about 1/8 you will loose a weld joint to re weld
I see. the most important peice I have now, is the 1 that goes from the intercooler, thru the front panal/ rad support, around the battery tray, and then it will 90* back to the turbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by pat mccarthy
but my question is, if I spot tacked each pipe from now on, in like 4 or 5 places, could you just like finish up the welds w/ TIG?. Only reason I don't wanna have to buy new pipe, is cause it's so darn expensive. I have about $300 worth of piping, 1/2 of that has been used. some of it, on my turbo down pipe, but that I'm not worried about leaks, it's only exhaust, and pretty leak free as is.
yes i can do that i would just have to use filler rod if the fit up is not light tightQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt167
That's a great offer Pat, I would even throw in a six pack for that deal....LOL
Brad