who sells lead body solder for bodywork????

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Originally Posted by Dave Severson

Yup, lead is all around us. But why compound the problem by breathing the vapors when you melt it????? The guy who taught me body work died from lead poisioning and lung cancer when I was about 25. Even counting 2 years in country, it was the most gruesome death I ever witnessed. I hope you never have to be the one with it, or the one watching. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.........

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use a carbon filter or a fume hood when melting??:LOL: probably would work, but I couldn't immagine trying to do any body work with those contraptions in your face, trying to do the work.

I use plastic filler now. I wanted lead because my friend told me a few years ago that bondo was bad and garbage, when I found out that plastic fillers were not bad, only bad when used in bad ways ( filling large holes, using along with fiberglass cloth/ mat to make patches ect... ) rather as a surface levaler, so now I'm comfterble working with bondo.

If I told you that I knew a way that would last for decades, save money, take less time, be less of a health hazard, and be easier.............would you still think lead was desirable?????

Lead is no longer superior to plastic fillers. It's now just a fantasy, left over from 40 or 50 years ago.

With all of the discussion lately, about the use of cheap paint and body products, this may be the only valid example of truely wasted dollars.

All great information, I didn't realize or i guess I didn't think about vapors or dust from lead.

Off note a little how much lead gets into an avide fisherman when he is touching his dusty lead weights all day long?

Off note a little how much lead gets into an avide fisherman when he is touching his dusty lead weights all day long?



Probably a good question. There are a lot of things that we never gave a 2nd thought about doing that are now considered hazardous. In the past, mechanics doing a brake job would sit there and use an air gun to blow brake dust all over the place (and themselves as well), we used lead in our paint, and bodywork, our furnace ducts were wrapped with asbestos, as was attic insulation.

I remember as a young kid I would run under the furnace ducts in our basement and take a stick and hit the pipes and watch this cloud of dust appear. I thought it was funny to do and entertaining.( I never said I was the BRIGHTEST kid on the block :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: ) Now, crews who remove this stuff look like some science fiction crew with all the haz-mat gear they wear. We dumped our old engine oil and gasoline down the drain or into the ground.

Bosses were good for sending workers into situations that today would get them jail time. We just didn't know about the dangers involved with some of these products back then, but now that we do it makes no sense to use them. I'm glad you have reconsidered using lead. Plastic fillers are so much easier to use and safer (still wear a good quality mask and goggles when grinding them) and they hold up even better than the old lead method.


Don

i dunno some guy here used a fancy body filler on my car it looks like shit! cracks galore! but then again he was a shitty bodyman :LOL: but still!......

Body solder and plumbing solder are 95/5 Tin/antimony (sp) -No lead. You can still get lead solder ( 50/50) but it is more expensive. 95/5 takes more heat and is a little trickier to work with ,it is also stronger than the old lead. You should be able to get it at any auto body supply place. But be ready for them to laugh at you.

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Originally Posted by gassersrule_196

i dunno some guy here used a fancy body filler on my car it looks like shit! cracks galore! but then again he was a shitty bodyman :LOL: but still!......

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I haven't had a plastic filler fail in about the last 20 years, and I've used several name brands! I can not afford failures, since I give an "as long as you own it" guarantee. Currently I'm using Marson's Platinum filler, and Fiberglass-Evercoat's Euro Glaze.

As always, a person who doesn't use the product as intended, can still f*** it up!...........I'm sure that is also true with lead!

Good grief ,you did not see the C.H.i.P.S. episode where the little kid was in the hospital for lead posining from the funky coffe cup!!C-mon now!!!pay attention:LOL:

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Originally Posted by Itoldyouso

Off note a little how much lead gets into an avide fisherman when he is touching his dusty lead weights all day long?



Probably a good question. There are a lot of things that we never gave a 2nd thought about doing that are now considered hazardous. In the past, mechanics doing a brake job would sit there and use an air gun to blow brake dust all over the place (and themselves as well), we used lead in our paint, and bodywork, our furnace ducts were wrapped with asbestos, as was attic insulation.

I remember as a young kid I would run under the furnace ducts in our basement and take a stick and hit the pipes and watch this cloud of dust appear. I thought it was funny to do and entertaining.( I never said I was the BRIGHTEST kid on the block :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: ) Now, crews who remove this stuff look like some science fiction crew with all the haz-mat gear they wear. We dumped our old engine oil and gasoline down the drain or into the ground.

Bosses were good for sending workers into situations that today would get them jail time. We just didn't know about the dangers involved with some of these products back then, but now that we do it makes no sense to use them. I'm glad you have reconsidered using lead. Plastic fillers are so much easier to use and safer (still wear a good quality mask and goggles when grinding them) and they hold up even better than the old lead method.


Don

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In my town there is an old meat packing plant, shut down in the early 70's. it's insulation was 100% abspestos, about 8 years ago they started tearing it down as it had been condemed for quite some time and the EPA cracked down on it. there still tearing it down, the place that they take the debris to in NYC can only take so much per year, so it only gets a little destruction a year, but those guys go in with the Bio suites and everything.

Coincidently I am reading a book on Joe Namath, and the first couple of chapters are about him growing up in a town where one of the places a lot of guys were employed was an auto radiator plant. In it, they talk about young men dying even in their early 20's because of exposure to the lead solder. They also discuss the Children of those workers having problems from 2nd hand exposure to it.

Nasty stuff.

Donr

In the 19th century the hat industry used molten lead to shape hats. The workers in those jobs breathed that lead daily. The result was the destruction of brain cells, hence the term "mad hatter."

I knew they called me the mad fisher for some reason!!:LOL: