Ok I was wondering why, people here seem to have never heard of them.. What if your running a lil bit heavier street rod? just curious what your opinion on this is.
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Ok I was wondering why, people here seem to have never heard of them.. What if your running a lil bit heavier street rod? just curious what your opinion on this is.
4 of the bags I got will hold up a 4 ton ride,8,000 pounds any larger than that and I dont think u could call it a hot rod!Just my 2 cents ,what u see is all I have ever done.:LOL:
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Originally posted by mopar978
Ok I was wondering why, people here seem to have never heard of them.. What if your running a lil bit heavier street rod? just curious what your opinion on this is.
Well it would be up to you...they do have billet upper and lower rataing rings which is cool! We ave done some heavy cars(58chevy,57chevy,58Buick) all heavy cars! We usually put a 2600 series on the front and 2600 or sleeve bag on the rear! We use alot of 2500 series on the front of our street rods unless the cust. wants shockwaves!!!!!
the bag is designed for a weight of a vehicle , same design as a tire , if you use a 8 ply on a light weight your ride will be affected. a double convoluted bag is designed for weight ( 8 ply tire ) as a slipper bag is designed for a lighter weight ( 4 ply ) .
2600 lb double bag =3150 lbs at 100 psi = front
taperd sleeve bag = 1500 lbs at 100 psi = rear of a light car or truck
Soooo what would be the best shock for my set up ?:confused: I want to carve the corners , regular cruising ride can suffer a little.I thought of using limiting straps on the back like drag racers use on the front.Use the strap to set ride height and air the bag up against the strap ,so it wont sway in the turns?also I have the bags tee fitted together into 1 air stem,I have heard now that this is bad for sway ?
Limiting straps no...........Quote:
Originally posted by shawnlee28
Soooo what would be the best shock for my set up ?:confused: I want to carve the corners , regular cruising ride can suffer a little.I thought of using limiting straps on the back like drag racers use on the front.Use the strap to set ride height and air the bag up against the strap ,so it wont sway in the turns?also I have the bags tee fitted together into 1 air stem,I have heard now that this is bad for sway ?
First you need to get all 4 bags on there own solenoids! Teed together will sway like crazy!
If you are wanting to carve corners I hope you set your truck up low....and you look into some sway bars! all limiting straps will do is stiffen the ride and pull a wheel offthe ground when you lay it into a corner!
oh almost forgot....
Koni makes very good shocks but they are very pricey! I would recomend air ride tech for shocks because they will be close to the right frequency and lenght!
I am a believer I have seen some of ur rides!!!! OK I have what u see in the pic below,just bags on the back for now and drop spindels in the front.What should I do to complete the rear install for good handling and ride quality? No show truck here just a nice clean ride. thnx for all the help and replies!!
This pic the bag is is fully aired up,ride height is lower than this.
The rear is not as big of deal as the front is...as far as body roll is concerned! Your truck could benifet from a panhard bar to keep the rear end where it needs to be! just remeber long, low, and level at ride height! The front needs a good quailty sawy bar with good urethane links! Make sure all of your front end bushings are in good shape! Really without putting another style clip on it you won't get much better than that!
Thnx for the help!!!!!!!!!!heres a pic of front suspention.
it has a factory panhard bar . i agree with sway bars and each bag nees to be controlled by itself.
I was at a NSRA show this weekend talking with an Air Ride Technologies rep last weekend and was told that you can actually get better pricing from their vendors.He said that they can't undercut the vendors on pricing and that a lot of them have "show pricing".I have heard nothing but good things about A.R.T and they seem to have the most selection in direct bolt-on applications as well as 4-link packages.Also I agree with what was said about not using the plastic airlines.I would use hard lines for as much of the total length as possible then use the braided flex for the bag connection.It will probably save you money in the end .I am going to be installing a 4-way "fast-bag" kit on my '67 Impala here pretty soon. That's my plan so far but am too still looking for suggestions.
yeah if there not controlled seperately, it will allow the air to transfer from bag 2 bag, and that would be bad for handling. also the front will need a little more pressure than the back because of weight to have a level ride height.
Hmm, I am learning more about this subject now. :D Ok I have one more thing I am still trying to understand. Since I don't have the body of my car on the chassis can I just determine the height and all without the body on the car or will I need to put it on and then determine which bags to get? Also since I have the 79 Z28 front clip on the 48 frame then when the bags are completely inflated will it go back to a hight stance or will the car still be lowered a bit? Like what I am trying to say is that I don't have dropped spindles and even with the bags inflated I want the car to sit like 2 inches lower than stock still but not a ton and then when they are deflated of course I want it pretty slammed but not the frame on the ground. I do want the tires to stick under a lot though. See what I mean? Hard for me to explain but I just dont get how I set ride height on this front end with stock spindles. Also I am guessing I can drive with the bags almost deflated a lot but not all the way and keep correct alignment or do I have to ride with them inflated all the way just about?
Just out of curiosity what are you guys using for hard lines, i've seen and used different things so i'm curious as to what is being used. just trying to see what you guys think would look the best for show quality..Quote:
Originally posted by cdawson
I was at a NSRA show this weekend talking with an Air Ride Technologies rep last weekend and was told that you can actually get better pricing from their vendors.He said that they can't undercut the vendors on pricing and that a lot of them have "show pricing".I have heard nothing but good things about A.R.T and they seem to have the most selection in direct bolt-on applications as well as 4-link packages.Also I agree with what was said about not using the plastic airlines.I would use hard lines for as much of the total length as possible then use the braided flex for the bag connection.It will probably save you money in the end .I am going to be installing a 4-way "fast-bag" kit on my '67 Impala here pretty soon. That's my plan so far but am too still looking for suggestions.
i disagree with the plastic lines comments , if they were so prone to crack,blow,leak why do semi's use them ? i have used them for extended periods of time . do not let them scare you about the plastic line , if they are installed correct they will not give you any problems.
I want my car to sit pretty close to that stance, maybe an inch or two higher since that is pretty much laid on the ground.
But braided ones are just so much better looking! Heh. How much do braided lines run for anyways? I am sure they are heaps more.Quote:
Originally posted by kennyd
i disagree with the plastic lines comments , if they were so prone to crack,blow,leak why do semi's use them ? i have used them for extended periods of time . do not let them scare you about the plastic line , if they are installed correct they will not give you any problems.
i've used the plastic line and not have anything happen it just scares me for some reason.. plus in my opinion there's better ways to do it so why not do it as good as possible..
well I am not sure if I understand you or not! Set the car where you want ride hieght to be lets say front crossmember 4in off the ground! you will then take the installed height of the bag lets say 5in and build around that! So when you air your car up and it is at the desired ride hieght then that is where you drive it! I am not sure if you will need Drop spindles or not if it will align w/o them then great if not you probably need some!Quote:
Originally posted by FMXhellraiser
I want my car to sit pretty close to that stance, maybe an inch or two higher since that is pretty much laid on the ground.
Are you sure.....I looked in his pics and didn't see one? not real familiar with 60's trucks though!Quote:
Originally posted by kennyd
it has a factory panhard bar . i agree with sway bars and each bag nees to be controlled by itself.
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Originally posted by TravisB
Are you sure.....I looked in his pics and didn't see one? not real familiar with 60's trucks though!
you question the master jedi ??
Ok Travis, even though you didn't really understand me then you basically just answered my question. Thanks a lot! I think I will need dropped spindles because stock 79 camaro anyways and 48 car sits pretty high. I guess I will have to sell these stocks ones and something else of mine to get money for the dropped spindles.
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Originally posted by kennyd
you question the master jedi ??
hahahahahaha! Sorry Sir
Also Mopar, I just emailed Ricky and told him to give me a week before calling him so I can get my vehicle weight estimated, motor I will put in, plans for the car, desired height, etc. I am going to go to www.my48chevy.com and the guy that made that site just bagged his 48 which is not done yet but all together now and see what his is. Even though I have a 79 front end then that front end will still be the same as that guys original IFS 48 front end right, I mean I can still use his measurements even though his front end is different?
Anyways, Ricky said that will be cool and he is glad I am going to do that because he gets calls all the time and the people have no clue at all. So far he seems like a cool guy and everything is positive. We will see though. How are their prices compaired to Air Ride Technologies?
well we will just have to wait and see then, but from what everyone tells me their prices are a bit better,, which is cool cause i like their stuff a lot, and most of their stuff is heavy duty, which might be over kill but I feel better when it's done that way. but you do have to remember that they are not a coorporation,, just a small shop that makes some really nice stuff, that's what keeps their prices down. Their suicide door hinges and all that stuff are really nice too.
As far as weight goes, that should pretty much be the same. as far as lift goes i'd say the same also, but i'm not familiar with a 48 front. i've got a 40 in the shop right now but not a 48.
but like the one guy put pics up of his rear suspension, the farther down the bar you mount the bag the more lift you will get.
keep in mind also that if you don't mount the bag over the axle ride will be much better... you loose tow capacity as you move away from the above axle mount though, but you prob are not concerned with that..
hope i'm making some sense i'm trying to type fast i got to go shave a tailgate for a 454ss pickup.. catch u in a bit..
Thanks again Mopar. I have learned a lot so far from this thread! I also found out that the guy with the 48 put a Mustang II clip on it and bags so scratch what I said about using the original front clip. Only difference from my clip to his is that mine is like 3 inches wider. My clip is actually 2 1/2 inches too wide I think but I will have to work the lip on the front fender and run skinnier tires up front I guess with a correct offset.
On mounting, if I mount lower you say I will get more height. So in doing that I will lose lowering though right?
Mopar is talking about mounting the bag on a or the link bar it's self like the pic that was posted here! what he was trying to say is when you move the bag further towards the front of the car the more lift you will get out of the bag like a lever depending on where you put the point it pivots on! (hope that ade since)! Personally I like to see the bag on the rear end somewhere either above the axle or behind the axle!Quote:
Originally posted by FMXhellraiser
Thanks again Mopar. I have learned a lot so far from this thread! I also found out that the guy with the 48 put a Mustang II clip on it and bags so scratch what I said about using the original front clip. Only difference from my clip to his is that mine is like 3 inches wider. My clip is actually 2 1/2 inches too wide I think but I will have to work the lip on the front fender and run skinnier tires up front I guess with a correct offset.
On mounting, if I mount lower you say I will get more height. So in doing that I will lose lowering though right?
Truck arm set-ups are a little different.....The bag can go right where the coil once was!
Oh ok I see! I got ya now. Thanks for clearing that up for me Travis!
So I have a question about 2 way and 4 way systems. I havnt installed my air ride system yet, but I have a 2 way set of Big Red valves, a 7 gallon tank, and a compressor. The car is a 47 ford 2 door coupe, with a Mustang II front end and a ford 9" rear. I was told that for the smaller cars, a 2 way system, with a sway bar would be fine for my car, and sway wouldnt be too bad since its not as tall or heavy as a truck. Also, my switches controll the front and the back independantly. If I had a 4 way system, would I have to rause the car one corner at a time?
Yeah in theary if you have a 4 way system which would be a F.B.S.S (front back side side) you would have to do them independantly, but i believe air ride has their digital controller which has a all up button and a all down button, and a button that puts, and keeps it at ride height, i've installed a few of the same with the air-lift kit and never had a prob with it. you can buy the digital controller units serperately, i believe some other company makes one that looked nice but not sure who.
as far as your car goes with a 2-way system, i'm not 100% possitive as all the one's i've installed are 4-way. sorry.
Mopar I think the company your thinking of is Dakota Digital. They have nice units I hear.
yes sir i think that's it... i heard their good too, i want to try them out.
Good but expensive!