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look fellas, im not trying to say u guys dont know what your talkin about heck most of you guys forgot more than what lincoln tech teaches new guys ... i been runnin shops since i was 18 average crew size 6mechs, 1 gopher, 1 secretary and i learned 1 huge oak tree and a 12 pack solves more problems than most books ill put 1 shadetree with a motor, mithchell or chiltons manual against a whole team of school packaged "technicians" it aint whats on the wall its whats in your head that counts;) ;) i was just trying to see who was on here and how they react to questions that you dont deal with everyday im one of those self taught rednecks that couldnt afford school or to pay someone to do something i could figure out myself

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EVERYONE learns stuff here even the "older guys." There is great advice here from the knowledgeable and the not so, but still good advice. No need for my resume I already have a job.

"School mechanics" Hmmm, just so happens I AM one of those school mechanics. But that doesnt mean that a little bit of intuiton doesnt work with old or new motors alike. If you want to join the auto trade and actually enjoy it, theres a simple way. Get into cars as soon as possible. Crawl under gm and ford equally. And yes, even mopars. find what you like to work on, and pursue it. Theres no point in learning about pontiacs when you plan to become a ford tech. And a little comp-tech will Always come in handy. Every car made in the last 20 years has a computer on board. It was bound to happen. Even if you only get the basics, youll apreciate it later. Nowadays, youll be hard pressed to find "1 oak tree and a 12 pack" in Any shop. And yes, I'll take that bet.;)

Typical:rolleyes: Arrived a bit late for this conversation, I've been on the spanners for years. Fully quallified in automotive, heavy trade and now on the big industrial diesil gensets. I go by the premise that while you live you allways will keep on learning something new, and if you like your job your happy with it, if not you move on.:3dSMILE:

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Originally posted by southerner
Typical:rolleyes: Arrived a bit late for this conversation.:3dSMILE:

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Seems a bit ironic seeing as how you are so far ahead of us, time wise. You should have been answering this question before it was even asked.:LOL:

Im new here so thats an honest question. For what its worth I'm 47 own my own machineshop. We overhaul industrial compressors here daily. have a wife, 2 kids 27 and 18, 1 dog, and 5 employees, lots of guns, and I drive a 4x4 1 ton psd ford crewcab. hot rods are a 71 vette vert with a 468, 2x4, alum heads, and a 6 speed, and a 73 vette coupe 355 auto. I have been building motors sence I was about 10. My grandfather was a wrench, owned his own shop. started racing at about 14. On a open forum like this, a question will get lots of different answers, several ways to do most anything, some better, some worse. You have to be smart enough to pick the good from the bad. cheers robert

Biggest thing is "Learning by Doing" Denny. I can see that you good on the computer now. I remember you telling me a few months back on how you had to learn on that stuff and I bet you learned by doing mostly not by people showing you stuff. As long as your not scared to get in there and get dirty then you will be ok. If something breaks or such then there is no reason to flip out, it can be fixed, it is just your time and money and you live once one might as well experience both sides of losing and winning some.

I tend to forget that not everybody knows what I know. Even explaining things in the shop, I skip over things that are "no brainers" for me. I have to stop and goback with details, this is getting worse as I get older. I think my brain is full.:whacked: way tomany late nights. robert

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I tend to forget that not everybody knows what I know. Even explaining things in the shop, I skip over things that are "no brainers" for me. I have to stop and goback with details, this is getting worse as I get older. I think my brain is full.:whacked: way tomany late nights. robert

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i am finding myself starting to do that also, ive been working on the stuff for about 12 years and when a newbie comes out of school to work for us i always got to slow down and teach him instead of more or less doing it myself. give a man fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

going back and looking at what i had written i kinda see your point denny. i didnt mean to sound the way it was written it did sound a little condescending and i apologize to everyone here at times i forget that what comes natural to some is hard for others

I guess the message here is: Nobody see's the Same sunrise the Same way, we all experience life as we live it,,and most of us are fiercly independant and protective over what took us many years of blood sweat and tears to learn,,,,,age and experience gives us an edge and sometimes it can come off as too sharp,,,,,but if you think back before the internet happened,,,,if you wanted to know something ,,,you had to ask personaly,,,and depending on how you went about asking for information or help,,you either got ignored,,or taken under the wing and shown the ropes.
I think most of us still deal the same way with the message board,,if you show respect,,,you get respect,,,,the only difficulty is we do this long distance,,,,and it's a miracle and a true testament to endurance and patience we get along as good as we do.
This never ceases to amaze me, and i'm thankfull we have this medium to share the way we do.

first time i ever joined a message board and i get what thunder says too its neat to be able to "meet" people on the board that have same interests that you would probably never meet in everyday life. i never thought i would say this but "WHEN I WAS YOUNGER" i would hang around the oldER guys ,and i mean i was 12, 13, to try to learn and no advice came cheap. so i know what it feels like. ive trained alot of guys so i dont mind helping ---or asking for help--- whenever i can