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It begins.......

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This will need some welding....
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This was box one of three stacked in the car
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back seat in good shape (upside down though i think)
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The hotness.....
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So far I've got $40 invested, I traded a free 80's van that I hauled off for someone and put about $40 into to get running. The seller did a straight trade and payed for the towing of both cars. I will need to get a new title but i have a few options and should be ok.

The plan:

1. I have an 86 volvo that i wanted to shorten and use the frame on but it's about six inches wider then this car so that is out. I'm going to sell that and find something with a full frame, 4 wheel disc's, and power steering rack that is about the same size of this car. Any suggestions? It's 59 1/2" wide from wheel to wheel apprx.

2. Channel and drop on frame

3. Slap in 472 cubic inches of cadillac terror

4. Drive it everywhere as a rat-rod until I get enough money to make it beautiful.

I won't really be able to start until my tax refund comes in so I can buy a welder but i've got plenty of planning to do. Any suggestions or comments? I know this won't be easy but I think it will be worth the effort. Thanks for inspiring me guys! :D

it looks like you have decent car to work with, always a big plus. as far as a good donar car, as long as you have a welder and a source to cut steel. you can pretty much do anything to build up your ride, thats a great deal of wieght with the caddy motor make sure you build it to handle all that meat!

I don't know what the track is on the little S-10 Chevys and S-15 GMC's, but I think I would try to find one to measure. I like the Cadillac idea, but just be aware that there are parts to bolt in a 350/383/400 inch small block Chevy to the S-10/S-15 frame. With the Cad, you're on your own.

Are you sure you would have to change frames? I've never seen one, but it could possibly be a whole lot less time intensive to use the existing frame (if it's stout enough) and swap in some updated suspension. Sure does look like a good candidate to start on. Have fun with your new project....

I've seen those fat-fendered Swedes with hot small-blocks in 'em, and stock frames and suspension, with no problems. Your Caddy is lighter than a big block Chevy, I would think it would work in there without a frame swap. Unless, of course, yours is just toast. The body doesn't look that bad, the chassis should be rebuildable.
S10 frames have a huge "kick" behind the cab, car floors are flat back there. You can put in a new floor, but the back seat footroom disappears.
Gotta love the "Fat-Fender Ford" look of that body!

Got that right, Pope!!!! Sweden's version of a '40 Ford!!!!

thanks for the comments, my concern is that it's a unibody with a frame bolted on the front for the motor (i haven't actually looked yet though but this is what my research says, i'll look before i make any decisions), i'm afarid the first time it gets traction with 300 lbs of torque the back half of the car is going to pretzel on me. Looking at it last night though, i might be able to weld in some frame on the inside and have it pass through the interior, there is quite a bit of room for this i think. Then i can hang whatever rear end i want from that frame as it comes to the back of the car. will this work? can i build a frame like that and have it support all the power to the ground or am i asking for more trouble? I don't want to stick a big motor in but never be able to floor it, that would be lame.....

so that's what around a '66? P544 model. I was looking at 1 that was in Ok shape for $1k, drivable in all but it was just too far away. was a '66 P544

i was told it was a 59, not sure though.

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Originally Posted by joehalford01

i was told it was a 59, not sure though.

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could be. they kept that style for a while. mid 50's-mid 60's

Your right---the car will totally pretzel on you with any kind of power and a good sticky set of rear tires. You will have to fabricate a full frame that runs from front to rear, to make a serviceable hotrod from it.

does it makes sense to run one through the inside on the floor, welded to the exsisting bolted on frame in the front or am i better off channeling it? I'm thinking any smaller import car from the 80's should do the trick if i need to channel instead, like an rx-7 or something. What do you think?

I don't think any car made after the 1960's came with full frames. No---it doesn't make sense to try and run a frame inside on top of the floor. You will have to build a full frame similar to what people do on 1930-s era hotrods. It would look absolutely horrible to have the car setting on top of the frame rails, as there are no body panels to extend down past the top of the framerails to hide them on that car. I would suggest building a frame from 4" deep x 2" wide x minimum of 1/8" wall rectangular tubing, and channel the car by the depth of the framerails.

ok, some good old fashion honesty is what i needed. Thanks, I think i'm going to start this project by getting the motor already there to run (if it can be done cheaply enough) and securing a title, that'll give me some time to hit the area junkyards with a measuring tape to figure out what i should do for a frame. I think building one is out of my league at this point but modifying an exsisting one is doable (i think :HMMM: ).

Brian, as far as I know, Corvettes did and still use complete frames, not unibodies. I know a guy who works at a bodyshop that says some corvettes he sees are driven completely without bodies. They are built this way because their bodies are made of plastic (fiberglass).

Post 95 Ford Explorers also have a full frame with torsion bar independent front suspension, 4 wheel disk brakes and a track measurment which is very close to what you are looking for. They are strong, can be lowered substantially and are available with a V8. The two wheel drive version is probably best suited for your use.

Check out "Explorer chassis as a hot rod frame" at:

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=154183

Dreamin Mike----Okay, maybe your right. I'm certainly not going to argue about it. Maybe the guy can find a corvette chassis to mount his ancient volvo on------:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

maybe that is what i will do Brian, maybe it is......

after all, i can invest $100,000, as long as it looks crappy it's still a rat rod right?

seriously though guys, thanks for all the suggestions so far

what about a mid 90's ford crown vic frame/ grand marquise frame, they are sort of a uniframe designe. they have unibody support as well as a perimiter frame that most of the suspension is attached to. somthing like this could graft into the Volvo, for extra support. not to mention, they have 4.6 V8's, and strong rear axles, disc brake rears.

Thats good too, i'll note these down so i can get some measurements at the junkyard this weekend. Keep em coming if you guys think of anything else.

On a side note I decided to put the car up on jackstands at lunchtime today. Well, apparently the family of wasps living in it didn't care for that too much. Daddy wasp chased me clear down the drive way while i was spraying starting fluid at it. My dog hid in his dog house. My wife told me I hit a new low at wal-mart tonight. I've brought home junk cars before but never have i had to add this to my toolbox.

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My fearless **) helper
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Then my buddy zeus and I decided to go inside as things heated up. One in the trunk, one in the interior, and one under the hood. Dear lord I hope that kills them.
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Cool projekt! There is many Volvo Pv's (p544) with csb in sweden that has orginal frame. Its quite strong since its built in the body itself. But many peoples reinforce the stock body with a pipe frame and uses Volvo 140 front suspension. and volvo 1031 rear axel.

Here is one Pv from Sweden. It has a cbb 615" that gives over 1000hp and does the 1/4 in 7,77sec.

http://www.brazuca.se

And here is another Pv. It has a carbon fiber body and got a B21= 2,1 litres twinturbo engine that produces about 650hp in the movie. Nowdays it gives around 900hp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcCMxU94VQM

Wow!!!! Thanks for the link on the Volvo's!!! That video is wild, car really looks and sounds great making a pass.... Looks like another one to add to the someday project list!!!!!!

No problem! :)

Here is two more movies of the first Pv in my previous post.

First a movie made by "Sundis" Which is the producer of all Birka Cup movies.
Birka cup is Swedens biggest street racing cup and is hold on the motorway between Stockholm and Uppsala. The cup is driven on the streets as a protest for all the closing of the dragstrips in the area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVRSYKu_XMs

The other movie is also a protest movie and is filmed on "Kingsstreet" the main street in Swedens capital Stockholm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQB4BI-Vv6Q

For more movies search on youtube for Birka Cup or Sundis. Some movies contain hotrods.


@joehalford01: If you want, I'll try to find some articles of V8 Pv's from Sweden.

wow.........some friends of mine almost had me convinced to go with a later model volvo 4 banger and turbo but thaT V8 is nuts. :whacked: :whacked: :whacked:

If you have anything I would love to see it. 1,000hp is a bit much but i would love to stalk the local scene here in a sub 2500lb. 400hp monster. :D

Here's some stats on the S-10 frame:
3 wheelbases 108", 117", 122". Track (wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting surface) is 56" front and 55 rear. Frame is 32" wide at the front and 34" wide at the rear. Frame is 3" wide and between 3" and 5" high at key stress points. Frame is boxed from the front to midway of the length, that would put it at just behind the door. Comes stock with power steering, power disc brakes, IFS, newer ones come with 4 wheel disc brakes.

Just some info to help you make a better decision.

kool, I jotted down the info in my build book for future reference. Unfortunetly, this project may have to wait, I have a tendency to get ahead of myself when I get excited. I need to put some money into my 63 truck right now as it's my daily and I'm trying to get into the chp so I may need it running really well for some serious driving to sacramento. Besides, if i get into the chp then my project will sit half-done for who knows how long. So i think i'm going to put a car cover over it for know and work on my truck. Don't worry though, i've got plenty of questions to ask as far as my truck goes.:LOL:

A lot of cars still have full frames. Im positive Corvettes, trucks big SUV's do, heck, even the suzuki XL7 has a full frame.....

I put a Volvo 264GLE on an s10 frame about ten years ago. The s10 was perfect for my project. I completed my project in about three weeks. I was very happy with the s10 suspension and drivetrain. It was very solid and very serviceable.