Jesus this is getting out hand ,im totaly a rat rodder ,but you rat guys are not helping our cause at all, if you just stop and really see what these guys are saying there not really bashing our scene , theyve made it clear that that the only concern they have is safety other than that they dont seem to mind us ,ive been working really hard here to explain in a intelligent fashion so these guys can understand and when people post stupid remarks it puts our cause ten steps back,and before i get accused of kissing ass i was an active skinhead for years and a member of the klan ,so i know a little something about stirring the pot in life ,ive ALSO LEARNED to think before you act if you ever expect someone to listen to what you have to say