I'm getting close on the Jeepster, I have a local choice of PPG, Omni or RM, I will do base/clear and have used the Omni before. Has anyone got any input about which would be the better?
Thanks
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I'm getting close on the Jeepster, I have a local choice of PPG, Omni or RM, I will do base/clear and have used the Omni before. Has anyone got any input about which would be the better?
Thanks
Over the years I've used DuPont, PPG, Metalflake co, Sherwin-Williams Automotive, Marhyde, and others.
Today I use R-M, along with some HOK and X-otic colors. Every time I use something else....like the PPG job I did this Spring because the guy already bought the paint.....I am more determined not to do it again.
BTW, It is high quality. I see jobs 15 or more years old that still look good!....and that is under this brutal Arizona sun!
rm or ppg for color , spi for primers and clear .
X 2 what Shine said
No one around here handles SPI
ppg make many clears .i see no need to used other clears over ppg base. i have used so many off brands of clears and other namebrands of clear were i use to work. i not going to try to make a list**) if it was out there when i did this suff for a income i shot it. my boss was allways getting some new clear to save some coin. they all ways said just like ppg clear ... yep oh boy here we go... some of the stuff work some did not .the last clear i used on a job at my shop was dcu2082 strato clear made by ppg it lays out very good and wheels like a dream .so i would use the ppg dbc base and use the dcu2082 clear. but that is just me:3dSMILE:
I just did a job with the PPG Concept Clear. I got a couple runs....let them dry about 3-4 days....blocked them flat....then buffed. Two or three days later, they were back. I let it dry a few more days....blocked and buffed. A couple weeks later, they were back.
I talked to another painter. He said let it dry a couple months next time. Is the "Concept" the only PPG clear that does this???
With my R-M Diamont, when this happens I let the car dry two days, block and buff....gone forever! I've used it for over a decade, and it always is stable and predictable.
the ppg clears dry slow even the old dau 82 but was stable when it set up the strato clear is not like the old concept clear. i was never that hot on concept clear but i have shot alot of it in solid color i used it when it first came out 17 years ago with the slower activator it stayed open for a long time and if you run it hard your screwed you have to cut it hard with 600 grit and let it sit then step sand it up to buff .it better now drys abit faster with the new activators .all the shops i work at used R/M on gm cars in the old lacquer days we did use some of there diamont base coat stuff .we used alot of different stuff. if it was on the bench and needed to be on the car so i could get paid. i could do that with any of it. just some of it like me more then others**)Quote:
Originally Posted by HOTRODPAINT
Go to A- Saves autobody supply on State Fair blvd in Syracuse ( bout 1 mile pass the fairgrounds on the right )... they deal with PPG, and if you look in the back of there buisnuess card holder, you will find some that look diffrent.. those are 10% discount cards.. I'v had good luck with them.
ppg and dupont make production clears. dry hard , chip easily and are hell to buff. not to mention they are overpriced. spi is by far a better clear for custom or restoration work . it buffs with ease, stays flexible and resist chips. if your doing collision work it really does not matter what you use . 2 coats and gone. thats what their clears are designed for. spi is designed for guys like us doing custom work. try 6 coats of ppg or dupont clear and see how fast is goes south. i use spi epoxy for sufacing , ppg concept for color , and spi universal clear .
PPG paint may be over price and some of there clear is not EZ to wheel. i would say some of it will not hold up but they make more clears then most .so if you say it will not hold up wich one ? i have cars out there that have the old dau on them with over 4 coat on them stuff is not falling off .the old ncp or nct?? clear ??it been a long time it was not much better then lacquer just made for fast work .Quote:
Originally Posted by shine
I have shot PPG products for 30 years and I dont much care for their Concept clears , I have shot their European Global Line for the last 12 years over DBU & DBC with excellent results !!!!!!!
I like Global as it buffs like butter !
Getting ready to switch to PPG's AutoColor Aquabase Pro . and their clears used are the European style clears , the reducers feel oily when you get some on your hands unlike US style reducers they evaporate quick and dont have that feel .
Dau 82 was an excellent clear in its day , but you cant get it anymore as it doesnt meet VOC Compliance . Shot tons of DAU color and DAU clear , used DAU 82 over DBU when it was first introduced in 1986 .
PPG makes DC3000 & DC 4000 clears and have 3 temp hardners , no reducer is required , they are nice too . you may try those .
i shot dau 82 for many years as well till they stop selling it and still have some in my stash did alot of solid color dau was well used many many gallons of the stuff as well as the old dau 75 with dxr 80 that was very strong stuff.i like the stato clear 2082 to just have to make sure it says open abit longer on warm days and i did like the dbc more the the dbu
I liked the DBU much better as it had the re-active reducer and made the base lock up , and not move , & more user friendly ;) , plus DBU didnt have the lift cycle that DBC can have ;) Makes a big difference in the re-finish market .
But DBC also has a hardner ( I think DX59 ) you can add to the base to make it lock up like DBU .
I have been shooting DBC for the past 3 years as PPG is slowly fazing out DBU .
Sprayed alot of DAU 75 myself , I was using it as a base clear many years ago over Delstar , I think thats why I went to base clear so well when it was introduce , I hated Lacquer and hated the look , metallics always looked flat , unlike an acrylic enamel in my opinion .
DAU82 was a very nice clear but was a 3 coat clear in its day , unlike the high solid 2 coat clears of today .
I hated the F'ers that laid down lacquer then shot DAU75 over it , what a mess if you had to get back into it when it was damaged !
I might add that PPG's Clears are formulated for Heat make-up booths , but they can be air cured , wont hurt them , but you better make sure you have air movement for a long period or they like to solvent pop . FWIW .
i shot alot of 75 dau over delstar but shot a hole lot more over indy light rims and race rims . many rims many gallons of dau 75 .the dbc was good for me i never had it move .but did use the dbu when it first came out you could cut in the jams with lacquer clear till they re work the dbu base .i still think i would do a delstar job sand it and shoot 75 over it them jobs still hold up well and this way your buying paint and not a 1/2 gallon of base maker clear in the color .i started playing this game before i had a divers license used many paints over the years . i did not care to much for painting deal it was part of the job. i did it for a living i made good money doing it .i was more of a body man i like hanging steel painting was just part of the job. well i tell myself this. i love to lay it down .but i just can not do it any more
Thank You for the responses they both confuse and help at the same time :LOL:The RM dealer is a parts store and doesn't have anyone that knows about paint, The PPG place is an Auto paint business and has someone to ask stupid questions and is willing to answer.I have not found anything bad about SPI only good, plus Its less expensive.So I think I will order and try the SPI clear. and use PPG base.
Again Thanks
every painter i have turned on to spi loves it . unlike ppg/dupont it is user friendly and designed with the restorer or custom painter in mind. had i not found barry and spi i would most likely have quit . after 40+ years of being jerked around by dupont and ppg changing clears every few years . they went further to the production side each time. 2 coats and gone is their motto.
barry make 4 clears . the universal is what i use. never liked high solids so i dont use the ms and hs he makes. although painters who are use to hs like them. he has a uroclear for the collision guys . if there is no jobber near you then you can order direct from spi , no shipping.
this site is all users of spi and most are pro's doing it daily for a living.
http://spi.forumup.org/index.php?mforum=spi
I keep agreeing with Shine (scary thought - someday we'll PO one another:LOL:), especially about the clears as well as the SPI epoxy.
If you have a problem, you give the owner of SPI, Barry K. a call, and by the time you are done, you no longer have one plus you might just have solved some of the world's as well:LOL::LOL: