I'm thinking about getting a new paint gun for bc/cc and i'm looking at three gun, the Binks M1-G the Walcom Slim s series or a Accuspray ISAAC 07. is anyone using any of them or anything in that price range??
THanks for any help!:D
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I'm thinking about getting a new paint gun for bc/cc and i'm looking at three gun, the Binks M1-G the Walcom Slim s series or a Accuspray ISAAC 07. is anyone using any of them or anything in that price range??
THanks for any help!:D
the cost of an iwata will be made up quick in saved materials and labor.
I'm with Shine. Absolutely consider an Iwata. They use much less air in CFM/pressure then a comparable high end gun with much less overspray. The savings in material is significant.
Spray Tech convinced me to get an Iwata, it's a great gun!!!! Wish I would have got it many paint jobs ago!!!! As shine said, the savings on labor and materials cost is substantial. I'm certainly no paint expert, but the Iwata gun sure does work for me!!!!
Yes Iwatas are awesome guns alright , been using them for a few years now .
I have a Trusty Accuspray Issac 7 that is 17 years old and still works great , my helper loves it , its set up with a 1.5 needle and a 705 air cap .
Its a gun that is not quite as finiky as an Iwata , and sprays everything real nice .
But in the Iwata LPH 400 line there is an LV ( for Single Stage Color & Clears ) , a LVB ( for pearls and hard to match tri stages ) and a new LVX model ( for the easier metallics )
I have 2 LPH 400 LV models for clear and a LPH 400 LVB model for shooting metallics and pearls and Kandies . all in 1.4 needles .
But if money is tight & your just going to shoot color and clear every now and again I wouldnt hesitate on purchasing an Accuspray , but with an Iwata LPH 400 lV & just buy the LVB purple air cap or the LVX Orange cap to go along with he gun you will have a super set up ! :)
If you dont mind spending some extra money then I'd buy the Iwata LPH400 with the purple cap as well... VERY nice gun and it lays the clear down like no other gun. Accuspray is OK for the cheaper guns and you can use it. If you plan to spray a lot of stuff or heck even if you wanted you can buy it, hold on to it and sell it later.
I am surprised how many people here are liking the Iwata, most people I know say Sata (which is a very nice gun too) but I like the Iwata most.
So what do think about this one to start with?
http://www.spraygunworld.com/product...00Student.html
That's perfect - though the 600ml plastic cup might not be the best option unless you use a liner setup. I have the big 1000ml aluminum cup which you would say would not balance the gun in the hand, but it does. A 1.4 tip for BC/CC is the best all around.
Unless you plan to do a lot of painting for a long while I think it's too frickin' expensive. I use the Devbliss finish line III for 1/3 the price. Others on here have used very inexpensive guns from Harbour Freight.Quote:
Originally Posted by 27tee
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Kitz,Quote:
Originally Posted by kitz
I have both the FL III and the Iwata. There is NO comparison. I do like the Devil and have all 4 of the tips, but it just will not do the same job as quickly (read: color sand and buff) and as economically (read: overspray/waste, and the required bigger compressor to keep up with the FL III) as the Iwata. My FL is used primarily for all kinds of primers from the standard acrylic base, epoxies, 2K urethanes and polyesters by changing the tip and really does a great job with those paints. It will not lay down as good a BC/CC. The Harbor Fright (and yes, I spelled it that way on purpose:LOL: :LOL: ) is a major air hog. It will not spray worth a d@#$ at the stated 23# inlet psig. It needs 40-60 psig depending on each individual gun (the purple 43430). The overspray is beyond belief - much of my garage and everything in it has epoxy gray speckles from one of those P'sOS. That's when I went to the FL III for my primers and the Iwata for the BC/CC.
This, with me being a rank amateur, is what the Iwata can do:
That looks nice Dave. Don (Itoldyouso) has painted impressively as well with 'disposable' HF guns. I doubt I'll paint another car though so ~$400 bucks for a gun just doesn't feel right for me, even if I need to color sand and polish a little extra.
I must admit I really like the idea of throwing the gun in the trash after painting rather than clean-up! And after all, it just has to look good enough for me, which ain't that hard to realize these days. :LOL:
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Originally Posted by kitz
I'm 35 +/- percent Irish but unfortunately, most of the rest is Scottish(with some German thrown in) - which means very little gets thrown away. Thrifty to pain as my wife will say.
I did see what great work Don (as well as others) have done with the HF gun but.....that overspray and wasted paint....did I say I was Scottish....:LOL: :LOL:
This is an ongoing argument , expensive guns or cheap guns , an expensive gun will make the job better and easier with less waste and elbow grease .
If your only going to do one paint job just buy the cheapie and go on , or find some one that has experience & good equipment to squirt it for you .
Tools make all the difference in the world whether your a beginner or pro .
Iwatas are very good and yes expensive and will make the job much easier and less aggravating , Most of these cheap guns you may find 1 out of 10 that may spray half way decent , and an experienced painter can make a cheap gun work for them because of their gun skills , a beginner with an inferior gun will only create more problems , a beginner with an expensive gun will have a better chance of turning out a 1/2 decent job , instead of a slobbering mess .
Not saying all cheap guns are junk , its harder to find one that will spray like its supposed to .
some have some success with the ELCheapo as mentioned , thats great but its far and few between in my experience .
with paint materials as expensive as they are , whats a few extra hundred on a decent tool ?
That my friend , is a hell of a price !!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 27tee
Mine have all costed over 430 bucks .
And like I mentioned before the Accuspray Isacc 07 is a good gun ,mine has painted more cars then I could even count in the 17 years of owning it , yes I have bought needles , fluid nozzles and air caps as they do wear out after hundreds of gallons of paint sprayed through it ;)
Just a recent experience to relate: earlier in the week I needed to spray some $195/gallon high temp paint onto some insulation for a machine...high dollar insulation. Because of the crappy nature of the paint, I grabbed an old gun that had been used once in the last 15+ years. What a piece of crap!! I was amazed at how archaic the thing adjusted and how bad it sprayed....a gun that I used to paint cars with 20 years ago.
Just like the Craftsman/Snap On arguments, there IS a difference in tools BUT you/everyone has their personal budget that has priority. I think the major point that Spray and IC2 are making is that if you can do a nice job with a Harbor gun, you can do an even better job with a real gun. If you make money using your tools, you will naturally gravitate to tools you can trust...
What about a Sata. I I have a a 2000 for a number of years now. To me, It's an awsome gun..............
I hate to say it but I have tried every model of SATA's and hated them , big & bulky and never gave me a finish I was satisfied with .
an over rated & over priced gun , But that is my opinion on 30 years of spraying color .
Some guys swear by them , but not me .
I'm no professional painter, but my dad and I painted my car with a DeVilbiss. We bought a three gun kit out of Eastwood that has a gun for primer, topcoat, and tuch-up work or something. I don't recall the name or model number but i thought it performed well and i'm happy with the results. I don't know if our paintguns are made for professionals but it worked for what little we had and what little we will have. I'm sure paint guns are just like everthing else, you get what you pay for.
use a cheap gun and you will learn all things great and small about solvent pop and the damage it can do. if an extra 100 bucks or so is that big of a burden your in the wrong hobby. there is a car here that was shot with the hf pos. after a ton of work it looked good. less than a year later the solvent pop is back and down to first clear. there is no fixing it. imho devilbiss has not made a quality gun since the jga502 . nor has binks. they just went cheap and depend on name to sell.
how true shine ,
when the HVLP was first introduced I was trying every new HVLP gun that came out on the market , Mattson was the one I used for years , still have mine but its wore out .
Devilbiss & Binks stayed behind the old Technology to long and fell way behind & they are suffering because of it . That plastic HVLP POS devilbiss made was the biggest pile I have ever tried to used .
The JGV was my last Devilbiss .
Hey Spray, I'm thinking about getting a gun for JUST spraying clear.... Wondered what you might reccomend??? Or actually, which Iwata setup....:LOL:Quote:
Originally Posted by SprayTech
I use the LPH 400 LV for all my clearing Dave , has a nice wide pattern & the atomization is excellent at 20 psi with trigger fullly pulled .
Some like the Conventional W400lv with the Tulip spray pattern , I have one and the pattern is smaller and its a tad slower for clearing bigger jobs ( I will use it for solid color base coats though). But with that gun you can buy a nozzle, needle and air cap , and tun it into an LPH 400 , which I am going to do .
i have a lph400 with 1.3-1.4 and all three caps, i have a lph100 with the sidewinder cup. i use both guns in a paint job. load both and do all the tuff spots with the 100 then grab the 400. i'm just one of those painters that wants the best tool i can get . i hate cheap junk.
For sure the Iwata LPH-400-144V. The 1.4 cap works nice for BC as well as CC tho I would like to try the 1.3 cap for thin BC. They run at 16psig inlet pressure and I have run mine down as low as 10psig for real small touch up spots. The aluminum cup is my preference - either the 700 or 1000ml(which I have)
I forgot to mention my Iwata LPH 400's are all in 1.4 needles .
I have not tried the new LVX orange air cap yet , as the purple LVB works for every base I shoot .
Thanks! Looks like I better save up my pennies again and get one...Spending way to much time wet-sanding the clear..... Sure do appreciate itQuote:
Originally Posted by SprayTech
I'm not getting into this one. But, I guess for many it comes down to $$$ and how much use you going to get out of the gun. A $375++ gun would be a great buy, unless it gets used once and then stored. If you are planning on painting more then one car, go for it. If not, I guess you could always recoupe some of your money on EBay.:LOL: :LOL:
I'm not endorsing a cheap gun (Shine can tell you about his purple gun:LOL: ) but there may be a happy price point for someone who wil be a one time user other than $375.
Not trying to turn this into an argument .
It comes down to " You get what you pay for " .
If its a money issue buy a cheap gun to apply all the primer & prep it to applying the color , but find a qualified painter to spray the color for you . With the expense of materials today it would be worth it IMO .
Heck thats pretty cheap insurance if you dont have to re-do the paint job again. ;) :)
Or, to save a lot of expense, and risking a total disaster, just do all the bodywork, blocking, priming, and get it done to your satisfaction, then take it to Maaco and let them shoot it.... The guys that shoot paint there have a lot of experience with a gun, and use decent materials... If you can do above average bodywork, the paint job will look great!~!!!!!
That was what I tried to do - to have a pro paint. The least expensive price was $6000 and then it went up from there. These were custom painters, not a local body shop. I was to supply all of the paints,including BC/CC/activators/hardeners/reducers etc. I would present the car in pieces, ready to paint - they were to spray, cut and buff. I have to assume that when the price was given to me that a 'fudge factor' was added for any of my prep mistakes. And the car - the avatar '31 Ford roadster. That Iwata got real cheap,real fast when I added in 1.5 gallons of DuPont Chromabase BC @$650/gallon, $200/quart and 1.5 gallons of clear at $150/gallon, $50 qt. Is my paint job pro quality? Probably not, but there are no runs, after cut and buff, it shines nicely and my satisfaction level is at ~90%. Did it take me a long time - sure did, but that was my gaining experience and the fact that the last full sized car I painted was in 1989 and with DuPont Centari and with a siphon gun (I did my fenderless T-bucket in 1992 with RM BC/CC but that body was so small that it hardly counts)Quote:
Originally Posted by SprayTech
if your saving all these thousands of dollars on a paint job......... whats a couple of hundred for a good gun ?????
i learned SOOOOO much in this topic! I'm really inclined to break up the porky pig and go for a Iwata (here in Brazil I'll get it for 600 dollars, MINIMUM), I certainly intendo to do more than one job with it, I'm a DIY freak and love old stuff, I'm also a hopless perfectionist and If I want to tur my fridg into a "hot rod fridg" (even for the most paradoxal that it may sound), I'll certainly want a PERFECT finishing in the paint! LOL
for finishing up, I'll spend as much as needed for a perfect result, BUT, for primer, do I really need a top quality gun?
here in Brazil, for around 100 dollars there are several national brands, respected ones and used by minor shops and regular paint jobs, some say that it's a waste of money to buy an imported one, I disagree, the shops that say this have a finishing that I'd NEVER accept in my car, but back to primer, with a good, regular, national, 100 bucks gun (or even less ???) would it be possible to have a good primer job?
reminding that just the 1.8 tip for the Iwata would cost almost 200 dollars here in Brazil, so it's cheaper to buy another gun (and of course, save the Iwata, and it's 1.4 tip, just for the really hard jobs) than get the Iwata tip and change it when necessary!
I use a SATA paint gun. NOT cheap in any way but as you can see below- creates an amazing paint job with ease. Comfortable in my hand too.
http://www.chop-shopcustoms.com/Done...ures%20106.jpg
Shine - If you're taking to me - you had best go back and read my earlier posts:3dSMILE: I HAVE an IWATA and purchased from the same source you got yours.Quote:
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SATA is also a very nice gun. I like both but got an Iwata because I got an amazing deal. I also love Iwata's small gun with the side cup that swivels for painting upside down to do motorcycle frames and roll bars. I can't think of the name but I love it and only used it once hahaha. Iwata and Sata are two of the top spray guns. I am sure there are others but those two names you will hear the most.