Paint Guns??

[27tee]

I'm thinking about getting a new paint gun for bc/cc and i'm looking at three gun, the Binks M1-G the Walcom Slim s series or a Accuspray ISAAC 07. is anyone using any of them or anything in that price range??

THanks for any help!

[shine]

the cost of an iwata will be made up quick in saved materials and labor.

[IC2]

I'm with Shine. Absolutely consider an Iwata. They use much less air in CFM/pressure then a comparable high end gun with much less overspray. The savings in material is significant.

[Dave Severson]

Spray Tech convinced me to get an Iwata, it's a great gun!!!! Wish I would have got it many paint jobs ago!!!! As shine said, the savings on labor and materials cost is substantial. I'm certainly no paint expert, but the Iwata gun sure does work for me!!!!

[SprayTech]

Yes Iwatas are awesome guns alright , been using them for a few years now .
I have a Trusty Accuspray Issac 7 that is 17 years old and still works great , my helper loves it , its set up with a 1.5 needle and a 705 air cap .
Its a gun that is not quite as finiky as an Iwata , and sprays everything real nice .

But in the Iwata LPH 400 line there is an LV ( for Single Stage Color & Clears ) , a LVB ( for pearls and hard to match tri stages ) and a new LVX model ( for the easier metallics )
I have 2 LPH 400 LV models for clear and a LPH 400 LVB model for shooting metallics and pearls and Kandies . all in 1.4 needles .

But if money is tight & your just going to shoot color and clear every now and again I wouldnt hesitate on purchasing an Accuspray , but with an Iwata LPH 400 lV & just buy the LVB purple air cap or the LVX Orange cap to go along with he gun you will have a super set up !

[FMXhellraiser]

If you dont mind spending some extra money then I'd buy the Iwata LPH400 with the purple cap as well... VERY nice gun and it lays the clear down like no other gun. Accuspray is OK for the cheaper guns and you can use it. If you plan to spray a lot of stuff or heck even if you wanted you can buy it, hold on to it and sell it later.
I am surprised how many people here are liking the Iwata, most people I know say Sata (which is a very nice gun too) but I like the Iwata most.

[27tee]

So what do think about this one to start with?
http://www.spraygunworld.com/product...00Student.html

[IC2]

That's perfect - though the 600ml plastic cup might not be the best option unless you use a liner setup. I have the big 1000ml aluminum cup which you would say would not balance the gun in the hand, but it does. A 1.4 tip for BC/CC is the best all around.

[kitz]

So what do think about this one to start with?
http://www.spraygunworld.com/product...00Student.html

Unless you plan to do a lot of painting for a long while I think it's too frickin' expensive. I use the Devbliss finish line III for 1/3 the price. Others on here have used very inexpensive guns from Harbour Freight.

Kitz

[IC2]

Unless you plan to do a lot of painting for a long while I think it's too frickin' expensive. I use the Devbliss finish line III for 1/3 the price. Others on here have used very inexpensive guns from Harbour Freight.

Kitz

Kitz,
I have both the FL III and the Iwata. There is NO comparison. I do like the Devil and have all 4 of the tips, but it just will not do the same job as quickly (read: color sand and buff) and as economically (read: overspray/waste, and the required bigger compressor to keep up with the FL III) as the Iwata. My FL is used primarily for all kinds of primers from the standard acrylic base, epoxies, 2K urethanes and polyesters by changing the tip and really does a great job with those paints. It will not lay down as good a BC/CC. The Harbor Fright (and yes, I spelled it that way on purpose ) is a major air hog. It will not spray worth a d@#$ at the stated 23# inlet psig. It needs 40-60 psig depending on each individual gun (the purple 43430). The overspray is beyond belief - much of my garage and everything in it has epoxy gray speckles from one of those P'sOS. That's when I went to the FL III for my primers and the Iwata for the BC/CC.

This, with me being a rank amateur, is what the Iwata can do:

[kitz]

That looks nice Dave. Don (Itoldyouso) has painted impressively as well with 'disposable' HF guns. I doubt I'll paint another car though so ~$400 bucks for a gun just doesn't feel right for me, even if I need to color sand and polish a little extra.

I must admit I really like the idea of throwing the gun in the trash after painting rather than clean-up! And after all, it just has to look good enough for me, which ain't that hard to realize these days.

Kitz

[IC2]

That looks nice Dave. Don (Itoldyouso) has painted impressively as well with 'disposable' HF guns. I doubt I'll paint another car though so ~$400 bucks for a gun just doesn't feel right for me, even if I need to color sand and polish a little extra.

I must admit I really like the idea of throwing the gun in the trash after painting rather than clean-up! And after all, it just has to look good enough for me, which ain't that hard to realize these days.

Kitz

Kitz,
I'm 35 +/- percent Irish but unfortunately, most of the rest is Scottish(with some German thrown in) - which means very little gets thrown away. Thrifty to pain as my wife will say.

I did see what great work Don (as well as others) have done with the HF gun but.....that overspray and wasted paint....did I say I was Scottish....

[SprayTech]

This is an ongoing argument , expensive guns or cheap guns , an expensive gun will make the job better and easier with less waste and elbow grease .

If your only going to do one paint job just buy the cheapie and go on , or find some one that has experience & good equipment to squirt it for you .
Tools make all the difference in the world whether your a beginner or pro .

Iwatas are very good and yes expensive and will make the job much easier and less aggravating , Most of these cheap guns you may find 1 out of 10 that may spray half way decent , and an experienced painter can make a cheap gun work for them because of their gun skills , a beginner with an inferior gun will only create more problems , a beginner with an expensive gun will have a better chance of turning out a 1/2 decent job , instead of a slobbering mess .
Not saying all cheap guns are junk , its harder to find one that will spray like its supposed to .

some have some success with the ELCheapo as mentioned , thats great but its far and few between in my experience .

with paint materials as expensive as they are , whats a few extra hundred on a decent tool ?

[SprayTech]

So what do think about this one to start with?
http://www.spraygunworld.com/product...00Student.html

That my friend , is a hell of a price !!!!!!
Mine have all costed over 430 bucks .

And like I mentioned before the Accuspray Isacc 07 is a good gun ,mine has painted more cars then I could even count in the 17 years of owning it , yes I have bought needles , fluid nozzles and air caps as they do wear out after hundreds of gallons of paint sprayed through it

[robot]

Just a recent experience to relate: earlier in the week I needed to spray some $195/gallon high temp paint onto some insulation for a machine...high dollar insulation. Because of the crappy nature of the paint, I grabbed an old gun that had been used once in the last 15+ years. What a piece of crap!! I was amazed at how archaic the thing adjusted and how bad it sprayed....a gun that I used to paint cars with 20 years ago.

Just like the Craftsman/Snap On arguments, there IS a difference in tools BUT you/everyone has their personal budget that has priority. I think the major point that Spray and IC2 are making is that if you can do a nice job with a Harbor gun, you can do an even better job with a real gun. If you make money using your tools, you will naturally gravitate to tools you can trust...