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Did anyone who knows watch the episode of monster garage where they did an old skool model A pickup in a rust finish ? I would like to know how to do it . I am building a 37 chev pick-up rat rod and I want it to have that crusty rusty look. Is it paint or acid ? They even had a new set of chrome valve cover with that rusty finish painted on so it looked like the chrome had peeled away and the rust underneath was showing. Thanks in advance for any info
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I wondered about that too. On one episode they built a VW drag car, and did the same finish to even the fiberglass front end. Looks like maybe they put metal shavings into some kind of binder and brush it on???
I'd like to know the answer to this too.
Don
brush it on with a old bush like wood grain job some red oxide tint and yellow oxide and amber and play with a old panel you could lay done a base of silver paint and float the bush over it to give it that going to hell look
Don, I have seen the Monster Garage Jesse James drag VW "in person". You are correct, the painted new steel, aluminum, and fiber glass parts look just like the rest of the original "rusted body". You won't see any brush marks, it's more like a movie make up person did it. Perfect finish for a Rat Rod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Itoldyouso
John Palmer
im not sure of the exact look u want, but a friend of mine tried somethin like that on a 63 chevy pu.he just prepped the body real good, but primed it with cheap rattlecan red primer( walmart specil stuff) then set it outside...after few weeks it ahd faded the primer an was lettin minor surface rust show thru..looked nice an grungy! soon as he got the look he wanted he wiped it down with metal conditioner an so far it hasnt rusted any further..just gotta kep an eye on it. The conditioner kinda blotched the primer but tat jus aded to the look! ight not be the style u want but it was a good cheap homebrew.however the style the other guys mentioned would probly be a lil safer an long term with no worries bout yer project suddenly rustin out from under ya!
Geez, and I spend a lot of time getting rid of anything that even looks like rust..... must be getting old, I guess!!!
It takes a pretty good artist to do it, and it's probably harder than doing a nice paint job. If you don't do it right, it looks like just what it is . . . fake.
Anyone who wants a rusty ratrod just ought to let it rust. It'll get rattier every day.
in mich there are many types of rust but i think it would not be to hard .red oxide primer that is thick will spray out bumpy and look like some thing that has gone to hell and some dry bush work in some paint thats coming off you could spray some flatten out clear on the red oxide and go form there with the brush work with flattener in the paint
Ideas that occur to me are:
Stipple some glaze over the primer with an old brush, to give you some "bubbling" texture.
You could sand through thin color coats of "grayed out" paint, to show "weathering", especially on the top body surfaces. It always gets lighter as it chalks, so be sure to add some white. This sanding could also work on thin lettering in another color. As the paint breaks down, it will leave whitish streaks from rain run off.
Stipple the brown shade over the bubbling areas, and practice flicking brown paint speckles from an old toothbrush for random specks of rust.
Airbrush some orangey-brown streaking down the side, below the rust areas, to simulate the bleeding rust "run off".
Finish off with flat clear.
yes that is what i tired to say. but the chalking that is good .i think you could get that deep pit look with the brush strait in with the bristles some thined out red with black some steel wool or a sponge may work good to or plastic wrap you would have to slow the paint down a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by HOTRODPAINT
srip it and drive it in the rain :3dSMILE: i dont do it but watched it done by a friend. he shot black base really thick and rough almost splatter paint, shot some red oxide over it and then went over it with red scotchbrite. after the red faded it looked old with rust showing thru. if i wanted that look i would strip it and leave it bare.
Take it down to the nearest truck wash and tell them to wash it down with wheel acid, and drive it home. Leave it outside.
Lessee . . . building a hot rod is showcasing your skills is it not?
Primer or flat is ok, that indicates to most that you're headed toward a gloss paint job - even if you're not.
Back in the day there were cars with full primer. but it was accepted that real paint was on the way.
And yeah, I know I don't understand the fake rust look and all, but I do know that I'm not impressed by it.
If you don't care about the finish work, it makes me wonder if the other work is shoddy as well....
[QUOTE=C9x]Lessee . . . building a hot rod is showcasing your skills is it not?
I know I don't understand the fake rust look and all, but I do know that I'm not impressed by it.
Personally, I agree. I have spent most of my life trying to make vehicles look better than they were....not worse. It is hard to think outside of that "box" after so many years.
Maybe change is easier for me to accept than some, because I work for others, and often have to become a part of their plan, not mine. Sometimes the challenge is not to do what I think would look best, but to help them to achieve the goal they have in mind.
If left to me, every project would have a unique paint theme, rich color, interesting detail, and a "show finish". Since I am a "hired gun", I always have to remind myself that it is their project, and their money. I just have to decide if I want to be a part of it.
The problem is it takes a lot of talent to make that faux finish look real - probably as much talent as it takes to paint a car to look nice. Do it wrong, and it won't look weathered . . . it'll just look bad.
I guess that's the difference between "now" and "then." Back then, we never made them look bad on purpose.
Street Rodder mag.(I think) did an article about faux finish and even showed a '32 truck being "rusted". I don't remember the issue num., but you might contact them for a back issue. An artist here in Ft. Worth area did a glass car complete with straw hanging out of different places mismatched frt. and rr. wheels, heck he even won a few pick's at some of the runs. His last is Anderson, but don't remember any address, he does art work etc. for a living.
I agree with some of the other greybeards, we had primered cars in the past, but we all wanted paint and interior (though few succeded).
Jim
I guess this is going to have to be on the list of things that I will never understand...... Why would anyone want to make their car look bad on purpose???? Got to be a lot of work and expense for what?????????? I'm confused !!
I think it's an in your face kinda thing.
Some may do it for the shock value, but once we've seen it, it gets old.
Well built and well painted cars attract favorable comments from those within and without the hobby.
Well built being the operative words here.
Thanks for the replies, although no one seems to know how they did it on the show. I'm kind of insulted with the attitude toward my question. A few old dogs seem to feel the need to make comments like "I don't understand the whole rat rod thing " even though no one asked for a commentary on paint quality . I have a fiberglass grill shell , cab with 30 year old paint and a new raw metal box. I want to make it all look like a field truck with a perfectly detailed engine, just like the VW on monster garage. That's the look I want, thats what I like. I built this truck with my own two hands, frame and all and I'm proud of it. If it's not your cup of tea its fine by me. I still would like to hear from anyone who know how or has seen it done. On the show I noticed them brushing something on.
I can sort of understand how you might feel put-off a little by some of the replys. It isn't your question, it just is tied into the whole rat-rod love or hate situation.
Personally, I like the look of some rusty cars, and am building one of mine to be sort of rat roddish. But that is just me. My own Son argues with me every time I refer to my '39 as a Rat rod, he somehow sees it as an insult. I don't.
But please don't take offense to the comments, anytime you get a bunch of people together from different backgrounds, etc., you are going to get different opinions. That is what makes these forums cool, we can trade ideas, jokes, opinions, etc., and you just have to be a little thick skinned and understanding.
I still want to know how they did the paint job, though.:confused: :confused:
Don
Here's one way.
Strip the finish down to bare metal.
Run it that way for a while, no WD40 or any other protectants in use, just let the surface rust develop.
A couple of weeks ought to do it, no serious rust required, just light surface rust.
Wash it, make sure it's really dry.
Shoot a couple coats of lacquer primer on it.
Drive it for a while longer.
The rust will work it's way to the surface, coloration will be uneven and mottled.
Areas where oil from your skin have landed will end up smooth, some of the primer will be worn off and you should be pretty close to where you want to be.
Washing or inclement weather will penetrate the lacquer primer and more rust will be apparent over time.
A win-win situation, you get your rust and not much effort will be expended.
No insults intended here, but this does work.
Did it accidently on a 63 Chevy half ton short bed although I shot the primer right after stripping.
I didn't know that primer did not seal moisture out.
Live and learn I guess....
Rat rods are controversial. Rat rod questions draw comments like honey draws flies. That's just the way it is. If you expect only answers within the narrow bounds of your question, with no comments or opinions, an internet forum with a mixed membership might not be the ideal place to find them.
I have no problem with the fact that different people have different opinions. If a show car finish is what you want then go for it. The fact remains that I didn't ask if people like rat rods, I asked if anyone knew how to do a faux finish.
I did some digging on the net and found out how its done. Believe it or not its actually craft paint. Basically it is paint with iron filings in. You paint it on whatever surface then hit it with a rust antiquing solution which causes the iron particles to oxidize rapidly. Costs $ 119.00 per gallon . I'm going to get a small bottle and start experimenting. I won't post any pictures of my results so as not to cause anymore controversy. ;) I never did understand the whole glossy paint thing , back when I was a kid glossy paint meant you were a momma's boy.
One thing I've learned about forums, or chat groups, is that you will get widely varying opinions, whether they are wanted or not. Also, people seem to be a little more outspoken when they are at a distance, than when they're toe-to-toe with you. Don't let it bother you, or you won't be able to enjoy the good things about these groups....the ability to gather with hundreds of fellow enthusiasts, 24/7! The ideas and information are great!Quote:
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Originally Posted by coogan
So much for saving money.
We all had different experiences when we were kids and every town's a little different.
Every one of the fast cars in my town had nice paint.
Primered cars were recognized as works in progress and on the way to a paint job.
Perhaps you'd like to share some photos of your project so we could get an idea of what it would look like with patina-ized paint.
I did some digging on the net and found out how its done. Believe it or not its actually craft paint. Basically it is paint with iron filings in.
I felt that had to be the case, because it seemed to be a "process" where iron filings rusted quickly, but were bonded to the metal and fiberglass, and whatever.
Thanks for digging out that info, I couldn't figure it out after watching the show.
Please do post pictures, though, Some of us would like to see how it works.
Don
My post wasn't a put down, just a simple "why" question. Now I see where you are wanting to make it look like a Jesse James car. If you take why as a put down, sorry about that.
Dave , I didn't take it as a put down , but sometimes I think people forget not everyone wants a showcar. I respect that your dream car is perfect one, my dream car isn't.
I'm attaching two pics of my truck as well as something nice to look at. As you can see I have a raw steel box , old cab with two colors of paint and a black fiberglass grill shell so I need to tie it all together but still want it to look like a field truck.
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Oh , I forgot, here's what I started with.
Coogan,
I didn't mean a put down either. My car will be "in primer" for who knows how long and I'm trying to build a safe car with a certain amount of "bling" because I don't like to buy anything twice. I'm sure someone readind the forumns has that Street Rodder issue and can let us know what date. I will try to find it myself as I am interested my self. I remember they had rust and/or paint running off of rivets and rubbed thru spots etc. The people in the article were auto painters and used the truck as a shop truck.
Jim
Truck is looking good, I remember the first pic you posted. It's come a long way!!! Is it going to have a wood bed??? The box looks great.
Thanks Dave, Yes I will probably have 1 x 6 fir planks in the back with some metal strips between. I need a bed of some sort so I can mount the fuel cell. I can see how the mechanical side of rat rods can be scary and a point of contention. I've seen some real death traps for sale on ebay. This truck will be every bit as safe as my 32 three window with the stage 3 TCI frame under it. I had to compromise the old skool look I wanted in places just to make sure I had safe , new components.
On the musician side of the same subject, Fender started making their "relic" line of guitars. Basically, it's a brand new guitar that they scuff up and beat down (or at least it looks like it) and call it a relic. Here's a link. I think it covers the same basic thing...guys want a "new" car that looks "old". I like it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Severson