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Well I finaly decided on a color HOK UK08 candy tangerien with BC02 orion silver base coat. The plan so far is to do the jams and fender mounting points then hange the doors then shoot the body and the fenders, grille and hood sepperate. The engine compartment will be black or black pearl? I'm thinking I'll do the black first then the kandy. This will be my first paint job,I do have some local help. Any help or tips will be greatly appreciated Thanks Dave pics
If this is your first paint job the best advice i can give you is don't use candy.. every coat changes the color, and if you run it, it will be much darker where the run is and the only way to fix would be to sand it all off and start over.. and paint it until it's right.. also if you're painting it apart and have more kandy on one panel compared to the next it will be a different color. also HOK tends to be more tempermental that ppg or dupont from what i've experienced.
hope this helps.. good luck..
What he said........
But if ya gota do it your best chance is to shoot it all put togther.
HOK is not cheap so you might want to buy some small samples of the colors you want and spray some test panles cuz candies and pearls are very tricky to shoot
Allot of things will effect the color..... number of coats,air pressure,gun settings,distance of the gun from the job during a pass....etc.
Coast Airbrush in Anaheim Ca. sells 4oz bottles of HOK you could use to practice practice practice....... ;)
Hope this helps
MM64 :cool:
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What they said, I have that color with a gold base, If you jam out the the engine compartment and doors the normal way you will have a dark stripe around the areas you jammed out. If you plan on driveing this car, as I do, you will get chips that you cannot touch up , as I also have . However it is a great color and grabs lots of attention. Carlg
I DO NOT RECCOMEND USING A CANDY.......unless your local help is very very good! If not your car will come out about 15 different shades of the same color!
Say this guy wanted to still use this color though. What should he do? The door jams and then put it together and spray everything else outside the car? This question will help the both of us I think because I plan to use a color similar to this later down the road on my 48 but it will be that dark purple and by that time I will have sprayed 4 cars/trucks plus a few other things like my golf cart and frames.
I've been custom painting for 40 years, and the thought of shooting a whole car candy is scary to me! If you MUST...I would tell you to use one of the colored base coats, that is near the shade of the ornage, but the better advise would be to use what they call candy basecoats, and keep them well mixed while spraying.
Here is my BEST advise. Look at the new truck colors. They have some killer orange pearls, and they would bee MUCH easier to shoot successfully!
Candies are the coolest, but if you don't get them just right, it will look TERRIBLE!.....and touch ups are even WORSE! (You are going to drive it, right?)
I agree with HOTRODPAINT look for a candy basecoat. I've been custom painting for 7 years now, not as long as HOTRODPAINT but I still have some hard lessons learned. Those candy style basecoats look so much like an actual candy that you almost can't tell the difference.
Here is my advise for painting with candy's. First make a let down panal I can not stress this enough. Once you have made that you can choose which shade of the color you like the best and practice practice practice.
you can jam the car as normal and then assemble the car for paint. However as said earlier you may have a dark stripe around those areas that were jamed. I saw a car at a show once where they pinstriped the jams where they over laped the candies, it looked pritty good too. That is one way of doing it.
Another more tricky way, is set ALL parts out in order that they go on the car, all side by side and set so you can spray jams edges and all. Then you can start shooting, spraying each part in sequence, spraying in the same direction and watching how many coats of candy you put on, making it so each part flows to the other.
All the avise that everyone has given is true and good, but here is my last bit. If it is truely what you want and you do the job to the best that you can, then drive it and be proud of it. Just rememer, Its only paint and you can change it at any time if you're not happy with it.
That is my avise hope this helps
yup yup.. i'm with him
Hmm candy basecoats huh? HOTRODPAINT, do you remember that picture of that purple car with the two tone I think it was and the other picture above or below it had the one in blue too. You told me how I would have to get that color by the basecoat, etc. Do you remember what thread that was in? I don't get notices in my email from that thread because I didn't press the subscribe button and CANNOT find it! The other day I looked all over for it.
FMX, Was it the black pearl base I mentioned?
I think that may be it. Black or silver. One of the two. It was a sweet looking purple that I want on my 48 and the the pic above or below it had the blue I want for my 66. :D
Wow, weird. I just typed in purple and found the link. Last time I couldn't find it and nothing came up. Here is the link. Look at that purple and let me know if you have any idea how I can achieve this color. Like can I buy just one coat and do that or do I have to do base coat, then the top color, etc? That is pretty close to what I want and even if it doesn't have that candy look then that is ok. Also what about that blue two tone, how can I get that color?
This one? This would take a black base, then black pearl, then purple candy.
For a similar color, but not as vibrant, use black base, then purple pearl in the first clear coats.
49WillysSD... Prep the car and get it ALL ready. Cover the interior, engine bay, etc. Spray the basecoat in the doorjambs, hood jamb, inside the gas filler door, etc. Next spray on the color coat and follow that with a thin coat of clear to stabilize the color. Let it dry for a couple of days and assemble the car. Now comes the fun...
Mask the doorjambs, hood jamb, and everything else that you already painted and don't want oversprayed. I do this with lots of 2" masking tape. The jambs have to be 100% covered so that NO overspray can get to them. Now, with the car all assembled and closed up, sand off all the overspray around the door openings, hood seams, fender seams, gas filler door, etc. Now apply your basecoat to the entire exterior. If you find any problems with your prep work or flaws in the bodywork, fix them now and recoat with the basecoat. If you have any spots where you have to remove dirt particles or bugs, etc. you will have to reapply basecoat. After the candy color has been applied it will magnify any flaws and candy colors can not be repaired or spotted in.
If you are happy with everything so far, after applying the basecoat, do not touch the basecoated surface with anything but a tack cloth. Sandpaper or scotchbrite scratches will show through the color and will actually be magnified. If you are satisfied so far apply your candy topcoat. The trick here is to apply it evenly and avoid overspraying any "dry"areas. For example, you cannot spray the fender, then the door, then the rear quarter, etc. because every place you overlap your spray pattern the color will go dark. You have to start at one end of the vehicle and walk the spraygun all the way to the other. Then go back the other way, again the full length of the vehicle. You will find, on a sedan-delivery, that the roof will be the most difficult part. Your spray pattern has to run the full length of the roof - hard to do if you're standing on a stepladder...
You say you have experienced help? One of the best ways to do a job like this is to get two painters with similar or identical spray guns. Load 'em both up (the guns, not the painters) and both painters start spraying at the bottom on opposite sides and meet in the center of the roof. This keeps the entire vehicle wet for each coat. Have the painters switch sides on alternate coats so that both sides get the same amount of paint (no two painters shoot exactly the same).
Finally, apply the clear, all but the very last coat. As soon as possible, carefully open the doors, hood etc. and remove all the masking. Now shoot he final coat of clear finishing up by opening the doors, hood, etc. and giving those areas one last shot while the outside is wet and all will flow together.
Good luck. I had been painting for about ten years befor I attempted an all-over candy job...
Hey J. Robinson that's a good explanation. I think I learned something today:) . thanks
I want to thank everyone for ther input on this so far. I'm still stuck on the candy but I think I'm also going to try HOK KBC candy base coat it is still a try coat system. I have a quart regular candy to paint one of the doors with and see if I can do this and then try the KBC. J. Robinson the roof and feners are the two items that will probably give me the most trouble aside from using a candy. for the roof I was thing of a scaffold or something like that to do the roof then move it to do the rest. I think you are right about using two painters to do this.
Krazy J' the both I'll be using wont alow me to lay every thing out and my door will be my let down panel
HMMMMMM you are one brave soul!!!!
good luck with this
I believe HOK makes a video showing how to use and to repair the basecoat candies. Their web site should list it. Things seem a lot easier if you can see someone else do it first.
Thanks Mopar978 I'm going to need lots of luck, good things never come easy and the worst that can happen is I have to do it all over again. It has taken 5 years and what is a couple more I have done 90% of the work so far and it would be nice to say that I also painted it.With help from everyone on this site and my friends I thing I have a good shot at it so wy not try. ( $500 for paint ,$100 for booth, $200 for paint gun, Getting to say you did it Priceless)
Hotrodpaint Thanks I'm starting to lean twords the base coat candy but I'll have to shoot it first
Thanks Dave
I also think the basecoat candy would be the way to go, not nearly as bad... if you didn't pick up a gun yet and need one i sell just about all of them so if your lookin hit me up. or anything else you might need.. just have to send me a check and i'll send it out..
or if your unsecure i could add what you want to e-bay, just more money. Sorry to whore
Better plan on more than $500 for paint. Right now it would be $500-$1000 for the good stuff, for a small truck. On full bodied street rods I usually spend $1500-$2000. If this worries you, you will need an HVLP gun, which will save a lot.
I went to the local Car Quest and the painter guy there recommended me a SATA gun (dont remember which model now :( ) and he said that it was really good and it wasn't real expensive like some of the 400-500 dollar ones. Maybe it was a SATA copy I don't remember now since it was about 4 months ago. I was looking at either a SATA or Devilbiss gun like the Proline or something....
Any idea's here if I will be shooting metallics and pearls? I have a cheap Campbell housing gun that I use for primers and I think I may just keep using this for just primers. It does a good enough job but could be better I just dont have enough money to buy two more guns (one for paint and one for primer).
My point would be that if you buy an HVLP gun, (I bought a Sharpe for about $400), It willd save you at least a couple hundred when you paint the truck, since You won't have to spend as much on materials!
You might ask House of Kolor if an HVLP will work for the candy basecoats. I've used mine for pearls, but I have to put a final "mist coat" on, to even out the color.
Yeah I was looking at the cheaper Sharpe's with the green tint to it. If I buy a gun I might as well buy a good one. In about 3 more months I have to buy about 4000 dollars worth of tools with a loan for my auto body class and some auto tech tools so I will buy a gun then.
your prob lookin at the finex line,, like $90.00 list cost..
if your looking to spend that kinda money on tools i'll hook ya up with a hell of a deal... something like 15% off... that's 15% more tools...lol...
if your looking for cheap guns, you can get the titan 4pc set... 3hvlp guns and a regulator...
go to ebay and do a user search and look for cmstools i just started it and havn't sold anything yet but will see how it goes.
Here it is.. save you some time if your interested,, i've got tons more to list, that is just a start..
don't necessarily have to go through ebay either.
oops for got to put it in
here it is
http://stores.ebay.com/Cmstools
Mopar thanks a lot man. I am going to look more about guns. I dont think I want to buy a cheap gun. I have enough cheap tools as it is and going cheap on a spray gun isn't a good choice, especially since I plan to spray cars as my career. I will definetely see what you have and go through you if I see anything I like.
Thanks!
Mopar, I see you sell nice stuff. I am liking some of the Devilbiss guns and Sata's. I see you sell Miller welders, nice. I want to start saving for a TIG sometime next year. I may buy a DA off of you but depends. Reason I say this is because I get 55% off Matco tools and I can get nice DA's through them and all. I don't know about spray guns though, I know they sell air brushes but I have no clue on what spray guns they sell.
I love my Sata's got a Rp, a nr95, and a nr2000. use them all the time and love them, and have to say that i don't see me switching to anything else... and if your serious about getting tools let me know i can send a catalog,, I can get you basically just about anything you can think of,, as long as it is not titled as snap-on, mac, matco, cornwell... but most of that stuff is made by other people anyways... but do carry just about everything,, just started listing and have much more to do.
but anyways if your serious i'm sure i can save you some cash...
Ok Mopar sounds good man. Yeah I am pushing towards a nice SATA or Devilbiss. Only places here to buy guns is from Car Quest and to me they are good but it's just like another Auto Zone place but with auto body stuff. They need a good auto body store around here with good professional tools, paint, etc and then they need a good custom upholstery shop too. Those two things and there would be almost enough places here to get all the parts I need instead of over the net. If someone started a custom upholstery and auto body store up here they would make HEAPS of money! If I had the money and were older, heck I would jump all over that. But yeah anyways a cataloge would be awsome if you got one.
Funny you say upholstery, I've got a guy that I have working at my body shop, and we've been talkin about adding upholstery, not advertising, but we have a few rides here that need it and he knows how,, just got to find the time,, but yeah if you would like a catalog pm me with your address.
Hey Shaun ,Quote:
Originally posted by FMXhellraiser
Ok Mopar sounds good man. Yeah I am pushing towards a nice SATA or Devilbiss. Only places here to buy guns is from Car Quest and to me they are good but it's just like another Auto Zone place but with auto body stuff. They need a good auto body store around here with good professional tools, paint, etc and then they need a good custom upholstery shop too. Those two things and there would be almost enough places here to get all the parts I need instead of over the net. If someone started a custom upholstery and auto body store up here they would make HEAPS of money! If I had the money and were older, heck I would jump all over that. But yeah anyways a cataloge would be awsome if you got one.
Not all guns spray the same , its why I have so many.
You need to demo several , and make a choice this way, as what works for one guy may not work for you !
I use Accusprays for an all around gun , an Iwata LVLP 400 for just clearing .
Have a mattson for big trucks and stuff for single stage .
There are many choices , And I use a sharpe for a primer gun , never liked them much for anything else , SATAs are excellent guns too , but I dont care for them either , but some guys love them . What feels and sprays good in one guys hands may feel and spray like crap in another .
Not every guy has the same spray techniques !
Thats the point I am making , you need to find a gun that you are confidant in , and gives excellent results every time for YOU !
SprayTech
P.S. Not Dissin' on anyones gun choices , just trying to give some advice .
I understand Spray. Thanks for the info. I dont know anyone here that paints or that are into hot rods so I have no choice but to just buy one. I guess if I buy it and dont like it then oh well I have no choice but to just use it and then maybe years later I will have enough money to buy another gun and have a few of them and use whichever one that sprays best with whatever material.
I have a feeling that you'll end up liking and getting used to whatever you buy, once you start using it over and over again you'll get used to it,, then when you try something else it will seem weird...lol.... but will be easier to switch after you have some spray time behind your belt